Conjecture (long): The CG/BO'B relationship is key...

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Conjecture (long): The CG/BO\'B relationship is key...

... to our problems.

Don't have any inside info and not trying to start any rumors. Just a conjecture on my part, based on what I've seen and heard. Take it, leave it, or counter it.

Consider that BO'B called a heck of a game in the Seattle Bowl, when Mac probably delegated all or most of the calls to him. That looked like the old Friedgenious O: Good mix and unpredictable.

Consider that BO'B has struggled for words in radio interviews. In one, he said the current O was a hybrid between the Friedgen O and NFL plays CG has interjected.

Consider BO'B called the UMd game from the press box (not his preference) apparently at CG's "request." (I'd rather see a knowledgeable "spotter" in the box and the OC on the field interacting with the players.)

In all likelihood, BO'B is going to take the fall for these season's performance, unless things turn around dramatically. CG is not going to be asked to leave after one season (Da Braine takes great pride in how his selection of Coach H has worked out, and will not admit a mistake in selecting Coach G until it's obvious to all it's not working out), and I don't believe he's going to resign. He wants to succeed here, and doesn't want to end a successful career on a sour note. Does BO'B deserve the blame. I'm not so sure, since I don't know how much "direction" CG is giving him. BB on 680 seems to think CG is doing a lot of that. But it doesn't matter. He's no doubt brushing up his resume and looking around now. Here's hoping he finds a good job quickly.

Those of you who wish O'L were still here, consider the play calling last year with O'L/BO'B. Mostly 3 runs and a pass. Nothing to compare with the O'L/RF O. And consider the great runners like Clink and receivers who sat in the O'L doghouse after making one mistake.

Can CG succeed if given the opportunity to bring in his own OC? (not sure how hard his arm was twisted to keep BO'B, but that's the general conjecture). I'd say it's possible, but ONLY if he's had a wake-up call. I have the sense he had an unrealistic expectation of college football. Having been through some high-profile run-ins with high-paid pro-players and getting raked over the coals by the media, he looked forward to coming back to Georgia, coaching at a school which is not known as a "football factory" (so most fans don't expect a BCS bowl every year), and dealing with players who are highly motivated naturally and for the development of their careers. His delay in coming to Atlanta, while it could have been out of a sense of honor to his current employer (then in the playoffs) showed a lack of appreciation of the importance of getting on the job ASAP and getting involved in the recruiting process. Yes, he was flying back and forth, but that's not the same as being focused on one objective. Bet he'd be here 8 hrs the next day after accepting if he had it to do over.

College ball is not what it was the last time CG was associated with it at Troy State, for better or worse. It's no walk in the park in a ivy-covered building environment. For one thing, he's in the big leaques of college ball now: Div. 1. For another, college football is big business now, even at GT, where it's a multi-million $ non-profit business. While we fans who donate more than we can afford are not technically stock-holders, we are certainly the non-profit equivalent. We expect a return on our money, that return being a good W/L record. We don't pay a 6-7 figure salary for mediocrity. Even Tech fans expect a 65-70% win rate every year, and many of us believe Tech can be in the top 20 every year, in a BCS bowl every few years, and in the NC game every dozen years or so.

The days when it was OK for a college team to have a "rebuilding year" are long gone. With 85 scholarships and 25 recruits per year, there's no reason for it. The college football press is just as prying and judgmental as the pro press. (John Hollis, the GT beat writer for AJC, gave GT coaching a D for the MD game, and rightly so, I'd say, since Fridge spoke after the game of specific adjustments made during the half, and CG said "We don't know what happened" with no specifics re. adjustments, and we didn't see any. A 6-3 game quickly turned into a rout.) If CG thought he'd "pretire" at GT, he should know by now he was mistaken. Student athletes, by and large, need a highly structured, almost military-like, environment; or the team will appear undisciplined and make lots of mistakes.

I really like CG as a person, from everything I've read about him and from my few direct interactions with him. He's a good Christain man. He means well. But, it's time for him to step back and reconsider his approach to college ball. I've always assumed he could be stern but fair, despite his soft, relaxed outward demeanor. He better be. He doesn't seem that fast on his feet in high-pressure game situations (case in point: the TO in the CU game when TB was running the O and kicking squad back and forth like squirrels about to be hit on the highway, and probably would have been very rushed to get a kick off). It may be advisable for him to delegate game decisions to his new OC. He also needs a strong motivator on the staff, such as UGAG had with Erk Russell when Vince Dooley - who was no KR - was HC. Hopefully his new OC will be such a guy.

CG is not leaving after this season. Just as in the real world in which most of us world, there are lower-level employees to be the scape-goats. But influential GT fans are watching him very closely, and if he doesn't have a very good recruiting class (critical after the small class last season) and if the team is not showing significant improvement next year, a VERY STRONG lobby for his ouster will grow and culminate into extreme pressure on Da Braine and Dr Clough after the UGAG game next November.

I'm hoping CG is successful. He reminds me of Coach Dodd (in demeanor, but certainly not in strategy - Dodd was a master strategist who said once to his assistants "Keep it close, Boys, and I'll figure out something" or words to that effect). He can be a good administrator, which is about 90% of a HC's job these days. But it will only happened if he's seen the light (or as O'L would say, the light bulb has come on) and he turns over a new leaf NOW!

I'm neither a FOCer (Friend of Chan), a FOO'L (Friend of O'Leary), nor an ABC (Anybody but Chan). Will have to coin an acronym for those of us who are putting CG on probation and expecting a turnaround before the GA game next year or else. (Believe me, we have ways to get him out if the majority feels it's the right thing for the program. We've done it before.) We're not going to let a problem situation drag on for as long as it did during the BL era, but we don't feel we have enough data to make a call with just 7 games under a HC's belt (as earlier posts indicate, some of our greatest coaches would have got the can early had we judged them on their first 7 games, or even their first 2 years).

[Dont' know if anyone has read all the way down to here, but I feel better for putting my words into type, anyway. It's therapeutic. I cut and pasted this from a post to the Hiver Insider forum at the Hive, which is still open, since many here are not subscribers.]
 
Re: Conjecture (long): The CG/BO\'B relationship is key...

Excellent post GT. Very well worded and probably expresses most people's feelings at this point. My biggest fault with Gailey was his delay in getting here. It told me he was not serious about the job and had little knowledge about the college game. That was Braines fault, but we have to move forward. BOB is gone at year end, I think that is a forgone conclusion, but he needs to leave the day after the UGA game so we can get an OC to recruit. I like the probation idea. Let's call our selves CPO's (Chans probation officers).
 
Re: Conjecture (long): The CG/BO\'B relationship is key...

GoldTime, a reasonable post. As you stated, it is unclear as to the coach/coaches responsible for our demise, but it will eventually wash out in the long run.

I would love to see O'Leary get the Syracuse head coaching position and O'Brien become his offensive coordinator. This is a selfish desire on my part. I would like to prove one way or the other whether my suspicions are true about the abilities of O'Leary and O'Brien.

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Re: Conjecture (long): The CG/BO\'B relationship is key...

Good post, GT!! Very succinct and to the point!
 
Re: Conjecture (long): The CG/BO\'B relationship is key...

Thx, goldeagle, but doubt it quailities as "succinct" (briefly giving the gist of something). LOL!

It was more a "stream of consciousness" which can be therapeutic. If i was mistaken, perhaps replies will help me understand the situation more clearly.

I'm afraid RR's shutting down of the Hive has only pent up lots of feelings, which will burst out again as soon as the board is opened up again. There will be some cooling down, certainly. Somebody needs to invent a "lifetime" feature on sports boards. Posts immediately after a loss should be given a very short lifetime (like a few hours) so people can get their frustrations off their chests but the ugliness goes away that day.

I'm encouraged by some of the threads here on StinGTalk of late, which are (for the most part) simply rational people discussing differing points of view.

I respect those who think the entire coaching staff should be run out of town just 7 games into the season while we have a winning record, even though I don't agree with them. I respect those who want to bring O'L and his assistants back, although that's not going to happen, O'L only excelled while Fridge was around (compare his W/L record with and w/o the Fridge); and (IMO) his gruff demeanor, hazing approach to developing players (remember what's-his-name?), antagonization of the press (who were labeled "flappers" or worse if they challenged him), and passing of all blame to the players ("We had them in position to make the play") would have eventually done him in. I respect those who think Da Braine made a horrible decision in hiring CG, but hold personal judgment on that. I respect those who think only pleasant, upbeat thoughts should be posted on a public board; but find little informative value in reading only positives without the counterbalancing negatives.

I don't respect those who feel they must type in all caps or use profanity to make their points. I don't respect those who feel compelled to label those who disagree with them. I don't respect those who make personal attacks on coaches, players, other posters, media writers, or even lawyers ;-)

The longer the Hive stays down, the more refugees will migrate over here to StinGTalk. (PLEASE don't post a link to here from the Hive at this time, unless you want all the new fonts over here.) Eventually, the moderators here will almost certainly have to deal with uncivilized posts, as they have in one high-profile case already.
 
Re: Conjecture (long): The CG/BO\'B relationship is key...

Excellent post GTimer. I'll try to tone down my use of off-color words and caps for emphasis...

All in all I'd say we are on the same wavelength regarding this issue.
 
Re: Conjecture (long): The CG/BO\'B relationship is key...

Anybody know what the terms of CG's contract are? 5 years? Do we make him a rich man like Goff/Donnan if we have to make him leave say at the end of next year?

Err... make than "even richer" man
 
Re: Conjecture (long): The CG/BO\'B relationship is key...

Goldtimer

You absolutely nailed it on that first post !
I couldn't agree more with everything you said.

One question:
What do you think would happen if we lose the rest of our games in the same manner of the last game ? Including Duke ? Would that change the scenario ?
 
Re: Conjecture (long): The CG/BO\'B relationship is key...

Gold Rush, I suppose the season could play out SO BADLY that either CG would resign or DB would "ask" for his resignation. I sure hope it goes better than that, and expect that it will.
 
Re: Conjecture (long): The CG/BO\'B relationship is key...

I don't think that DB asks him to leave this year no matter what the results. I think next year is important for Gailey to show that he can get the team playing at a higher level.
 
Re: Conjecture (long): The CG/BO\'B relationship is key...

Gold

I dunno (about things improving). There is another thread about the appearance or possibility of something going on in the program, and I have to say, it sure has that feel to it...
 
Re: Conjecture (long): The CG/BO\'B relationship is key...

Interesting topic. I feel that BOB has gotten very little of the blame (at least by the fans) for the poor offense this year and the offensive regression last year. We've had 2 head coaches tell us that BOB is running the offense yet everyone blames the head coaches or the players. The Stanford game is a bad example. The staff had a month to prepare, Stanford had a bad defense, and the team/coaches had nothing to lose. It is a lot different to put together a game plan with 5 practice days.

I don't know how anyone thinks BOB has proven to be even an average OC much less the bottled up genius that a lot of Tech fans think he is.

Something is going on with this team though. The lack of discipline, the slopyness on offense, and the defense obviously quit against Maryland.

Unfortunately, I don't have any answers, only questions.
 
Re: Conjecture (long): The CG/BO\'B relationship is key...

i agree whole heartedly that stanford and seattle bowl is not a great example.

1) it's one game damnit!
2) after all the negatives we had gone through, the players and coaches just played loose.
3) ty willingham was already looking to notre dame.

some fonts clamor for the seattle bowl staff and claim that firing that staff was the biggest mistake in the history of the free world.

that's just sheer nonsense! why?? read the above points again. that's why.
 
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