Difference Between Navy's and Tech's Formations

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I was watching a replay of last year's SMU-Navy game last night (CBS College - Channel 109 on Comcast has an Armed Forces Week going on). Anyway, it looked like the B-Back was much closer to the QB than Dwyer was last year. Is this a change under their new coach, does it have to do with JD's ability, or am I imagining the difference? If it has to do with JD's ability, do you think there will be a time when CPJ puts the B-Back closer to the QB? Also, this game is what makes college football better than the NFL. Could you have two different offenses (at least in terms of running vs. passing) than CPJ vs. June Jones?
 
Good observation on your part. Don't know if there is a definitive answer anyone on a message board could give you other than speculation. My thought is that maybe PJ evaluates the talent of his b-backs differently. Navy's B-backs are slower and bigger and probably don't have the vision that JD does, so they are lined up closer to the LOS because of the time it takes them to hit the hole with a hand off. The triple option is all timing, so JD can probably line up farther back and get to the handoff in time for Nesbitt to read the defenders.

Does that make sense?

JD
 
In navy's case, I'd say its all about getting to the LOS quickly. I wouldn't be suprised if Dwyer lined up a little further back last year to give nesbitt more time to make his reads or to give dwyer a little more time to get a head of steam going. I doubt it has anything to do with Dwyer making reads though. I thought on the dives he isn't making any reads, he just has a spot he's going to no matter if there is a opening or not.
 
After looking at some videos on Youtube, it appears that this change was new to Navy last year, meaning that their new coach wants the B-Back closer to the line. When CPJ was at Navy, the difference is not as noticeable, although the B-Back might be a little closer to the line of scrimmage.
 
I think it has to do with Dwyer's speed and PERHAPS comfort in the scheme?
 
I think a lot of it had to do with both the OL learning to block for the system. Also, Nesbitt's learning how to read the defense and just the over all inexperience.

I haven't looked but, You may want to take a look at game tape of how they lined up when Jaybo was in or played since he was more familiar with the system to begin with.
 
I think I remember saying it was to give Josh some time to make the reads last spring I think. Kind of like how the line has been slowly spreading out, the B-back has been moving a little bit closer as we get used to running it.
 
BainbridgeJacket said:
I think I remember saying it was to give Josh some time to make the reads last spring I think. Kind of like how the line has been slowly spreading out, the B-back has been moving a little bit closer as we get used to running it.
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Just speculating but this explanation sounds the most logical. The less time the QB needs to decide, the closer the shorter the required distance b/w the QB and the B-back.

If the back "shows up" before the QB makes up his mind, things could get... a little awkward.

So, over time, the time it takes to run the play decreases. This is consistent with player comments coming out of the spring indicating that the plays materialize much faster than they did last year.

I second the 'good observation' compliment - sharp eye there, msm5.
 
msm5 said:
CBS College - Channel 109 on Comcast has an Armed Forces Week going on.
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This same channel is currently showing something named only 'Navy Football'. It's the highlights of their 2005 season, with a young and fiery coach you might recognize. It's a great example of the progress I hope we make in year 2. If you'd like to see either / both for yourself, there's a replay at 730pm tonight. So cue up the Tivo, Slingbox, VCR, pledge, little brother, whatever... and GO NAVY!!!
 
It's common practice among flexbone/spread-option coaches to vary the B-Back's depth behind the line according to his speed at getting into the mesh position.
 
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