do you realize what 100 lbs of weed LOOKS like?

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Think back to last fall. The last time you raked leaves. You know that dry leaves are much lighter than wet ones. If you raked up your entire yard and started filling those big garbage/clipping bags with leaves. What do they weigh...when filled with DRY leaves? Pot has less mass than Oak Tree leaves. What would a big garbage bag full of weed weigh?

10 lbs each?
15 lbs each?

Reuben alledgely put in an order for 100 lbs of the stuff. I would estimate that equals 8-15 large trash bags full of DRUGS with a resell value of almost $120,000.

So my questions are:
1. Did he live in the dorms?
2. Where was he going to store that much drugs?
3. How many people were going to help him unload it?
4. HOW ON EARTH could he have made $60,000 in order to afford this much weed and NOT have sold drugs to some of his closest friends (who include players)
5. How could a problem of this scope NOT have been known about by our coaching staff?
6. How much POT would he have had to sell to generate $60,000 in profit to buy these drugs? $120,000? $200,000 (considering the pyramid effect that he had to build up to this? Is that 12,000 dime bags? Is it 20,000? I know that there are some stoners on here who could figure it out.
7. Was he just the pickup man? If so...what scenario would cause Reuben to be so indebted to a drug lord that he would need to act as a mule/delivery boy for a purchase of this size? Was he into gambling and just trying to pay off a debt?
8. The Federales don't give a damn about arresting Reuben. They want someone higher up OR more total people. Who will he roll over on to get out of this mess?

An arrest of this size should scare the hell out of every GT administrator, coaches in all sports, fans and parents of players. You don't get into a mess like this without an extensive roster of clients, a big gambling problem AND/OR the worst luck imagineable. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wtf.gif
 
I am certain that there are other people...

within the GT community, including the football team, who knew this was going on. A 22-year old kid is too immature not to flash the money and at that age enjoys playing to the gangsta image. A drug dealer (at that age/level) doesn't think of his crime as being shameful.Mr.Houston may (if he is guilty of such) not have advertised his part-time job to the dungeons and dragons nerds in the dorm or the right-wing frat boy crowd but it is a safe bet that there are people on campus that were aware of his activity and may even be involved themselves imho.
 
I don't know anything about pot/weed/mj or what ever it's called, but I have seen and read about it when my kids were young as I took an active part in their lives. I read a brick as it's called weighs about 1 lb. so that would be approximately 100 bricks correct? Now imagine trying to hide 100 brick in you room with a roomie and friends coming in and out. May be possible but not likely to go un-noticed.
 
Yes. There are many questions about the situation both for federal prosecutors and GT officials. Federal prosecutors have more tools and powers (subpeona, perjury, plea bargain, and criminal indictment) to find out the truth of the events. However, the truth for guilt in criminal law has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

GT's administration and/or the GTAA needs to investigate this situation as well to find out the truth. Although GT does not have the legal powers of a prosecutor, the rules of evidence and burdens of proof for private actions (non criminal law prosecutions) to respond to alleged criminal activity do not have to meet the thresholds of criminal law.

A private employer can fire an employee for suspecting drug dealing, while the state has to prove drug dealing under the rules of evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to apply a criminal law penalty against a person.

GT needs to run their own investigation to find out what happened. However, given the potential for criminal prosecution of other people involved, it is likely that they may not talk to anyone except their lawyers because statements to GT officials would not be protected by attorney-client privilege.

Some people who knew Houston through GT may have known about his alleged activity, but may not have committed any crime themselves. In general, there is no duty on American citizens to report crimes to the government. Thus, others may have known about the alleged activities, but had no legal duty to report crimes.

If the allegations are true, it strains credibility to think someone could covertly deal or store that large of an amount of marijuana in the dorms at GT. I do not know Houston's housing arrangements, and I think some players have lived off campus and in fraternity houses instead of dorms. If Houston was carrying that large of a volume of drugs, a rational person could infer that his roommates or teammates might find out about the situation.
 
It's amazing that so many who "have no personal experience" with drugs give the appearance of knowing so much about this situation. Also that so many are "certain" other SA's and/or coaches knew or should have known about this beforehand. You are all blowing smoke (no pun intended). We don't know what happened guys. We may find out as this unfolds. Pretty much everything except the bare facts outlined in court is pure speculation by people who have no clue what they're talking about.

Make no mistake, this is a serious situation and one the administration and coaches have to dig into. But the worst thing we can do as fans and supporters of Tech is to either a) bury our heads in the sand and act like nothing happened, or b) leap to unfounded conclusions based on no factual information to smear other SAs, coaches or administrators with any responsibility for this stupid act.

What we MAY know at this point is the following:

1) RH met these guys in OK
2) He was to receive the pot
3) He was either to hand over $60K or sell it first and pay $60k
4) He used Sam Williams care to get to his meeting. Sam was not there.
5) He got into another SUV where the pot was hidden in the form of bricks
6) He had his daughter with him and asked that they drop her off somewhere
7) They left the vehicle (at a carwash IIRC)
8) The drugs never changed hands
9) No money changed hands

What we don't know.
1) Had RH done this before
2) Has he sold pot before
3) Was his intended market at Tech, in ATL, or his hometown
4) Did he intend to pass on the whole amount to another buyer
5) Where did he intend to keep it
6) For me at least, where did he actually live? Was he in the dorms or off campus

There are many, many others we can add to the list. Bottom line though, is there is no reason to smear anyone else with this until/unless further evidence comes to light.
 
We don\'t know jack sheet about what\'s going down.

Personally, I am still hoping this thing ain't near as bad as it seems right now. Some possible scenarios from an eternal optimist:
1) He smoked a little pot, got himself in debt and was coerced/forced by his suppliers to do this one thing to erase his debt. After thinking about it, he backed out. Surely he won't go to prison for that.
2) He was working undercover for the DEA and the FBI knew nothing about it. Now they have to go ahead with a hearing to keep the embarrassment down.
3) He was caught with a small amount of pot and he agreed to go undercover as a plea bargain. His arrest is just a show to protect him from the bad guys and still get his testimony.

In any case, it is way to early to condemn the guy as a hard nosed drug dealer when we know nothing about the facts.
 
Many have put forth, perhaps correctly, that the coaches should have known/done certain things.

But forever I have been hearing that our S/As, unlike a lot of places, have to be regular students with all that goes with it.

If true, how come the Institute and it Legal Enforcement arm are not being called out?

From Probation to this incident, the Institute and the degress you cherish dearly are being dragged through the mud and I do not know if it will be cleaned up before it gets worse. Leadership.
 
why tex? Best I can tell so far the only thing that happened on campus is that RH met the courier. How could campus security have done anything or for that matter why would they have without someone (feds) tipping them off?

The probation thing is worse IMO because it suggests the registrar's office didn't know what they were doing.
 
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Think back to last fall. The last time you raked leaves. You know that dry leaves are much lighter than wet ones. If you raked up your entire yard and started filling those big garbage/clipping bags with leaves. What do they weigh...when filled with DRY leaves? Pot has less mass than Oak Tree leaves. What would a big garbage bag full of weed weigh?

10 lbs each?
15 lbs each?

Reuben alledgely put in an order for 100 lbs of the stuff. I would estimate that equals 8-15 large trash bags full of DRUGS with a resell value of almost $120,000.

So my questions are:
1. Did he live in the dorms?
2. Where was he going to store that much drugs?
3. How many people were going to help him unload it?
4. HOW ON EARTH could he have made $60,000 in order to afford this much weed and NOT have sold drugs to some of his closest friends (who include players)
5. How could a problem of this scope NOT have been known about by our coaching staff?
6. How much POT would he have had to sell to generate $60,000 in profit to buy these drugs? $120,000? $200,000 (considering the pyramid effect that he had to build up to this? Is that 12,000 dime bags? Is it 20,000? I know that there are some stoners on here who could figure it out.
7. Was he just the pickup man? If so...what scenario would cause Reuben to be so indebted to a drug lord that he would need to act as a mule/delivery boy for a purchase of this size? Was he into gambling and just trying to pay off a debt?
8. The Federales don't give a damn about arresting Reuben. They want someone higher up OR more total people. Who will he roll over on to get out of this mess?

An arrest of this size should scare the hell out of every GT administrator, coaches in all sports, fans and parents of players. You don't get into a mess like this without an extensive roster of clients, a big gambling problem AND/OR the worst luck imagineable. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wtf.gif

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I've got a cousin that is a detective for the GBI and he told me that 100 lbs of marijauna would fit in one oversized duffle bag. It is placed in compressed bricks and therefore has a lot of density. It is no where near 10-15 garbage bags full. That would be like 600 lbs of marijuana.
 
They had a picture of a drug bust here on the Interstate, they cought 2 Mexicans with 65lbs of pot, the photo in the paper showed them compressed into bricks. That 64 lbs could not have fit into a back pack a small garbage bag maybe but it looked to me (from the photo) it would have taken a good sized garbage bag.
 
So both sources, oldfoggy and BOR are saying essentially the same thing, it wouldn't take up as much room as some have suggested. Imagine that, real live imvestigative reporting on Stingtalk! Real facts and everything! Who ever would have guessed?
 
Sorry about the typo it is 65 not 64. BOR, from the photo here in the paper it would have fit into an oversized duffle bag.
 
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Did anyone ever say that he had the drugs when busted. I believe that they arrested him on a informants testimony. If they caught him with that much drugs he is in trouble. But I think that he may be a fall guy. There is much more to this story than we are seeing. So until the trial don't speculate to much because the truth has a funny way of not being what you think it might be.
 
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I don't know anything about pot/weed/mj or what ever it's called, but I have seen and read about it when my kids were young as I took an active part in their lives. I read a brick as it's called weighs about 1 lb. so that would be approximately 100 bricks correct? Now imagine trying to hide 100 brick in you room with a roomie and friends coming in and out. May be possible but not likely to go un-noticed.

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According to the story...his intention was not to ever have it on campus....he met them on a campus street corner then headed to Peachtree City...abandoning the car/deal on the way there.
 
calculations

a quarter ounce of weed sells on the streets for about $100

that means an ounce is $400, and a pound is $6400

so 94lbs is about $600000 in street value

10x your money on drug sales, no wonder people do it -- of course he probably would be reselling in quantity also and giving discounts not street value for each quarter ounce, but this is just a demonstration
 
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