F$U to forfeit wins, time for Bobby to retire?

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I wonder if Bobby will feel more heat to retire now that the record is slipping further away from him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3958292

The Florida State football team will vacate an undetermined number of wins, serve four years' probation, and face a reduction in scholarships and other penalties due to what the NCAA described Friday as "major violations" from an academic cheating scandal.

Nine other programs were also penalized -- baseball, men's track and field, women's track and field, men's swimming, women's swimming, men's basketball, women's basketball, softball and men's golf -- and face the same sanctions. Overall, the scandal involved 61 athletes.

Football coach Bobby Bowden would have entered the coming season with 382 career victories, trailing Penn State coach Joe Paterno by one win on the all-time list. The sanctions will force him to forfeit all wins during which ineligible students competed in 2006 and 2007.

It is not immediately clear how many wins Florida State will have to vacate. Dennis Thomas, the vice chair of the Committee on Infractions and acting chair for the FSU case, said only one ineligible player would have had to participate in a game for the entire team record has to be vacated.
"The committee adjudicates the facts and reviews the facts as they are presented. It has no thought whatsoever given to a student athlete's prominence or a head coach's record, about to break record," Thomas said during a conference call to announce the penalties. "We give no thought to that whatsoever."

The football team will be limited to 83 total scholarships in 2008-09; 82 in 2009-10; and 84 in 2010-11; the maximum usually allowed by the NCAA is 85. Florida State self-imposed the loss of the two scholarships for 2008-09, and will self-impose the loss of three scholarships for 2009-10. The NCAA added an additional loss of scholarship from the maximum in 2010-11.

"I must say that Florida State did a great job in cooperating with the enforcement staff in accumulating all of the information that was required," Thomas said. "Yes, Florida State did self-report. They did an outstanding job. We have to give Florida State University credit for that."
The NCAA determined that a former learning specialist, academic advisor and tutor gave "improper assistance" to Florida State athletes who were taking online courses. According to the NCAA, the former learning specialist typed portions of papers for at least three athletes and also provided answers to an online psychology course quiz by instructing another athlete to complete the quiz on behalf of the athlete enrolled in the course.

The committee stated this case was "extremely serious" because of the large number of student-athletes involved and the fact that academic fraud is considered by the committee to be among the most egregious of NCAA rules violations.
Florida State's probation extends through March 5, 2013.
 
I wonder if Bobby will feel more heat to retire now that the record is slipping further away from him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3958292

No..to the contrary. He has to keep coaching until Jo Pa assumes room temperature, then keep cheating to get the requisite players to win more games until finally he overtakes Paterno. Problem is, by that time Urban Meyer will have overtaken him!:laugher:
 
I say he loses no games, he is st. bobby. st. mark in nadlickerville will absord his losses so st. bobby will still try to acheive the all time winning record.
 
I don't remember Tech's probatiion as being "Major". Was it? If not, why did we get hammered a whole lot harder on scholarships?
 
While I don't think much of the NCAA trying to take away wins (they didn't do this to any ole timey SEC violators did they) Bobby should now vomit profusely and float on the top of the water. He is clearly done for.
 
I don't remember Tech's probatiion as being "Major". Was it? If not, why did we get hammered a whole lot harder on scholarships?

Because we are Georgia Tech and they are Florida State. You're kidding yourself if you think there is a level playing field with the NCAA brass. F$U should've been nailed with the "lack of institutional control" moniker ages ago.
 
I'm sorry, I just don't hate on Bobby Bowden as much as I should. I go back a long ways and I remember him turning that program around long before they were a menace. Sadly, it is well time for him to retire and this is a BIG sign that maybe Bobby needs to move on.

I know all about the corruption charges and all that, and yes they are valid, and yes I hate FSU almost as much as the mutts, but we need to move on w/o trying to crucify a hall of fame coach. He's basically a decent man and a good ole guy, perhaps a little ignorant, (is kuntry awright?) but so what?

Has he slapped yo Momma?

Looks like FSU may be headin for the skids.
 
I don't remember Tech's probatiion as being "Major". Was it? If not, why did we get hammered a whole lot harder on scholarships?

I think that might something to do with our appeal to not have our wins vacated.
 
It is not BB I dislike but the entire FSU program esp football--they are identical to the old "thugery" at MIAMI only in warpaint--they threaten "Legal action" if games or awards are taken away because of these infractions--well-- we will see if the NCAA has any BALLS!
 
I don't remember Tech's probatiion as being "Major". Was it?

Yes.

We appealed the recusing of our record, though, because at least we weren't cheating on purpose. Our thing was essentially a clerical error.
 
Yes.

We appealed the recusing of our record, though, because at least we weren't cheating on purpose. Our thing was essentially a clerical error.

Too bad we never got back the thing that actually mattered, scholies.

The NCAA is run by a bunch of hypocritical, money-grubbing fools. They take smaller programs to get their headlines, but somehow the UGA's and FSU's of the world escape their wrath. We play a small part in the NCAA's TV contracts and we get a "major" violation for not following the reams of regulations the NCAA has, while UGA and FSU make too much money for the NCAA to hold them to the same standard.
 
Too bad we never got back the thing that actually mattered, scholies.

The NCAA is run by a bunch of hypocritical, money-grubbing fools. They take smaller programs to get their headlines, but somehow the UGA's and FSU's of the world escape their wrath. We play a small part in the NCAA's TV contracts and we get a "major" violation for not following the reams of regulations the NCAA has, while UGA and FSU make too much money for the NCAA to hold them to the same standard.


What's worse is the statute of limitations had expired on nearly all of our "violations" when the NCAA brought charges. We naively assumed that the NCAA would realize we made a clerical error and that the record was compelling in our favor. Not so. Time to punish the kid that behaves to make an example for the other kids that behaved. Had we hired a law firm specializing in NCAA inquisitions, we would have never been in this mess because we could have raised the statute of limitations at the outset. We did hire a law firm on the appeal--that's when we got our wins back.

Florida State cheats academically and they get off easier than we did.

Also note--there is a difference between "vacating" wins and "forfeiting."

The NCAA is nothing but a monopolistic scam.
 
Too bad we never got back the thing that actually mattered, scholies.

We never had a full team under Gailey anyway. I was more worried about losing the 3 Ws vs UGA, and having to deal with "12 in a row" or some crap.
 
Screw the NCAA. I'd like to see the SEC and ACC break off from the NCAA. At the end of each year, the ACC champ plays the SEC champ for the national championship. If any other pansy conferences wanna come play us, bring it.

We can pay our players and set up our own rules. The NCAA is a joke. I've been sick of it for some time now.
 
Screw the NCAA. I'd like to see the SEC and ACC break off from the NCAA. At the end of each year, the ACC champ plays the SEC champ for the national championship. If any other pansy conferences wanna come play us, bring it.

We can pay our players and set up our own rules. The NCAA is a joke. I've been sick of it for some time now.
I agree with maybe half of this in spirit. People around here wonder why I don't care about the national title, because honestly, as much as I love college football, I don't really care about anyone other then the SEC and the ACC. I don't think we should pay players though. Also, neither conference will ever do this. The SEC is making money hand over fist in the current system and Swofford is missing balls.
 
Screw the NCAA. I'd like to see the SEC and ACC break off from the NCAA. At the end of each year, the ACC champ plays the SEC champ for the national championship. If any other pansy conferences wanna come play us, bring it.

We can pay our players and set up our own rules. The NCAA is a joke. I've been sick of it for some time now.

While this sounds great, if the majority of the presidents won't even consider a playoff proposal, do you think there's any chance that they'd even acknowledge the possibility of this? Unfortunately, it's all about money, and like Allen said the SEC is making a killing, and I don't think the ACC is doing too poorly for itself either.
 
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