Great Report from O'brien's interview (LINK)
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Ahso,
I agree. I read that summary last night and thought the same thing.
On another note, I think using 2 QB's could be a really effective way to keep defenses off balance. But I don't want to see them rotated every play, ala Spurrier. I hope there is a clear #1 QB and that we bring in another in certain situations as a change of pace.
Ahso,
I agree. I read that summary last night and thought the same thing.
On another note, I think using 2 QB's could be a really effective way to keep defenses off balance. But I don't want to see them rotated every play, ala Spurrier. I hope there is a clear #1 QB and that we bring in another in certain situations as a change of pace.
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A la Vick and Chandler? I don't think it will work.
Not be be pessimistic about that approach, but I can't, for the life of me, think of a 2 QB system that has been consistently effective. I can't think of a single team that used it to great success over the course of a year. I know teams(including us) have had single game success with it, but not sustained. I'm hoping some of you will tell me a few examples and prove me wrong.
A la Vick and Chandler? I don't think it will work.
Not be be pessimistic about that approach, but I can't, for the life of me, think of a 2 QB system that has been consistently effective. I can't think of a single team that used it to great success over the course of a year. I know teams(including us) have had single game success with it, but not sustained. I'm hoping some of you will tell me a few examples and prove me wrong.
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Culb,
I wasn't saying that we should rotate them all the time. I was saying a change here and there could be employed to keep the other team off balance. As for rotations that have worked in the past in certain instances:
'97 UF/FSU - Spurrier rotated Brindise and Johnson for every single play. UF scored 32 points and defeated a previously undefeated FSU team.
Dooley rotated Ray Goff and Matt Robinson in '75 throughout the season, and ended up in the Cotton Bowl. How's that for digging into the memory banks?
I think Bama rotated QB's in '99 and won the SEC, but I'm not sure on that one.
There are probably many other instances.
In our case, as I said above, we need a clear #1, then I think a change of pace guy that could throw off the defense on occasion.
Culb,
I wasn't saying that we should rotate them all the time. I was saying a change here and there could be employed to keep the other team off balance. As for rotations that have worked in the past in certain instances:
'97 UF/FSU - Spurrier rotated Brindise and Johnson for every single play. UF scored 32 points and defeated a previously undefeated FSU team.
Dooley rotated Ray Goff and Matt Robinson in '75 throughout the season, and ended up in the Cotton Bowl. How's that for digging into the memory banks?
I think Bama rotated QB's in '99 and won the SEC, but I'm not sure on that one.
There are probably many other instances.
In our case, as I said above, we need a clear #1, then I think a change of pace guy that could throw off the defense on occasion.
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I will say this. I do not believe we can beat FSU if we cannot run the option effectively. Their D is just too fast and they are able to hedge and double cover our wide outs. But if the option keeps them honest then we will have a good chance and that is why we were so effective against them with lil' joe. It is true that if FSU turns the ball over and we get lucky we can win, but I am talking about a straight up victory. If we can effectively run the option we can score enough points and keep their D on the field.
I am very excited to hear that Billy thinks a two QB offense is in our future. I think it provides us the best opportunity to win.
Also ask yourself this. If we do not run the two QB offense during the Seatle Bowl do we win that game. I dont think we do. When Hall came in it gave us new energy and created matchup problems for stanford.
<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">I disagree Culb. I believe a two QB system can be highly effective if they BOTH know their roles. The problem with Spurrier's teams were the two QB's had the same style and that caused unnecessary tension. If we have one OPTION qb and another pro style qb I believe it can be very effective. I think we have all learned over the past few years how important an option package can be in our offense. In fact it was probably at least a two game swing last year b/c Goose could no longer run the option.
I will say this. I do not believe we can beat FSU if we cannot run the option effectively. Their D is just too fast and they are able to hedge and double cover our wide outs. But if the option keeps them honest then we will have a good chance and that is why we were so effective against them with lil' joe. It is true that if FSU turns the ball over and we get lucky we can win, but I am talking about a straight up victory. If we can effectively run the option we can score enough points and keep their D on the field.
I am very excited to hear that Billy thinks a two QB offense is in our future. I think it provides us the best opportunity to win.
Also ask yourself this. If we do not run the two QB offense during the Seatle Bowl do we win that game. I dont think we do. When Hall came in it gave us new energy and created matchup problems for stanford.
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You NEVER cease to amaze me. You treat Chan Gailey's word like it is straight out of the Bible and then you treat O'briens word with a grain of salt? Pardon me for saying so, but what a total boatload of hypocritical crap.
You asked the question "How naive can a person be"....I would add "How naive can a person be that so blindly toes the company line of Braine and Gailey?"
On the other hand, how are things in Ellijay?
<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Ahso,Originally posted by ahsoisee:
I saw some comments regarding the interview. One poster made the comment, "that should put to rest the idea that GOL held back the offense". It is possible that is the case, but how naive can a person be? What else did they expect O,Brien to say?
After all, GOL is his good friend, and BOB wants to keep all doors open for a job in the pros. I would take BOB's remarks about that matter with a grain of salt.
You NEVER cease to amaze me. You treat Chan Gailey's word like it is straight out of the Bible and then you treat O'briens word with a grain of salt? Pardon me for saying so, but what a total boatload of hypocritical crap.
You asked the question "How naive can a person be"....I would add "How naive can a person be that so blindly toes the company line of Braine and Gailey?"
On the other hand, how are things in Ellijay?
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Law,
While you make good points, I still don't think that system would work. If you alternate an option QB with a pro-style QB, then that tips the other team off as to what the play is. If you're at the goal line and take out your good passer for an option QB, then I'll stack D with linebackers. If the pro-style QB is in, then I play against the pass.
Now, if both QB's have the same throwing abilities, that's a different story. But in that case, why not play the one who can run the option whole time? What I'm saying is, the only reasons I can see for a 2 QB system are that you have:
1) 2 extraordinarily good QB's and both deserve playing time or
2) You have to good QB's who each have strengths and weaknesses.
If you have case 1, then you're in good shape, like Florida last year, or the Rams with Warner and Green. If you have case 2, then you have Clemson for the past 2 years. You knew Woody was going to run, and anyone else who came is was gonna pass. You simply play that style.
Like I said, I could be wrong. But if you look at history, there are more times when this fails than when it works. Either way, I'll be confident that we'll choose the style that will gain us more success in the long run, and won't complain about it.
Law,
While you make good points, I still don't think that system would work. If you alternate an option QB with a pro-style QB, then that tips the other team off as to what the play is. If you're at the goal line and take out your good passer for an option QB, then I'll stack D with linebackers. If the pro-style QB is in, then I play against the pass.
Now, if both QB's have the same throwing abilities, that's a different story. But in that case, why not play the one who can run the option whole time? What I'm saying is, the only reasons I can see for a 2 QB system are that you have:
1) 2 extraordinarily good QB's and both deserve playing time or
2) You have to good QB's who each have strengths and weaknesses.
If you have case 1, then you're in good shape, like Florida last year, or the Rams with Warner and Green. If you have case 2, then you have Clemson for the past 2 years. You knew Woody was going to run, and anyone else who came is was gonna pass. You simply play that style.
Like I said, I could be wrong. But if you look at history, there are more times when this fails than when it works. Either way, I'll be confident that we'll choose the style that will gain us more success in the long run, and won't complain about it.
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I agree with what you are saying except that the option is so unique that it can really screw things up. And I am not talking about a 50/50 split. Probably more like an 80/20 or maybe even 90/10 split. And sometimes Suggs would run the option. Just like sometimes Bilbow would pass.
I think we saw with Goose last year that even if we put 30+ points we could still lose if we did not control the ball. The option allows you to have long drives. Look at Maryland last year against FSU (first half). They went into the locker room with a lead with inferior players b/c they could run the option. The option takes the legs out of a Defense. Sometimes just the threat of the option will do that. We will have to wait and see but I like the idea in theory.
I agree with what you are saying except that the option is so unique that it can really screw things up. And I am not talking about a 50/50 split. Probably more like an 80/20 or maybe even 90/10 split. And sometimes Suggs would run the option. Just like sometimes Bilbow would pass.
I think we saw with Goose last year that even if we put 30+ points we could still lose if we did not control the ball. The option allows you to have long drives. Look at Maryland last year against FSU (first half). They went into the locker room with a lead with inferior players b/c they could run the option. The option takes the legs out of a Defense. Sometimes just the threat of the option will do that. We will have to wait and see but I like the idea in theory.
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BO'B didn't say it in so many words, but last year's problem was the same as several past years-Defense. Last year's offense played a 10 win season, the D didn't.
I have decided that CG is a jerk and a rotten coach. No particular reason. And Braine is a monster. It's obvious why we're at the bottom of the ACC in everything. Braine's fault. (Just trying to fit in on a board-random angry comments seem to be a way to relate.)
BO'B didn't say it in so many words, but last year's problem was the same as several past years-Defense. Last year's offense played a 10 win season, the D didn't.
I have decided that CG is a jerk and a rotten coach. No particular reason. And Braine is a monster. It's obvious why we're at the bottom of the ACC in everything. Braine's fault. (Just trying to fit in on a board-random angry comments seem to be a way to relate.)
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Ahso,
I grew up down in Clayton County (Morrow), about 30 minutes north of Griffin. Didn't you say you went to Forest Park high? My folks still live in the general area. But they moved south and they're actually in Hampton now.
Anyway, if you do move down that way, I'd check out Pike County. Lots of open space and land. Of course, Lake Jackson is nice.
Personally, I'd stay up in the mountains if I could.
Ahso,
I grew up down in Clayton County (Morrow), about 30 minutes north of Griffin. Didn't you say you went to Forest Park high? My folks still live in the general area. But they moved south and they're actually in Hampton now.
Anyway, if you do move down that way, I'd check out Pike County. Lots of open space and land. Of course, Lake Jackson is nice.
Personally, I'd stay up in the mountains if I could.
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Like both of you, I grew up on the southside. Riverdale/Fayetteville to be specific. Everyone is moving south now...my parents have moved to senoia, just off 16. Land is so cheap there now for my dad...I think he got his 5 acres for 35K total.
Like both of you, I grew up on the southside. Riverdale/Fayetteville to be specific. Everyone is moving south now...my parents have moved to senoia, just off 16. Land is so cheap there now for my dad...I think he got his 5 acres for 35K total.
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Culb,
Has your dad ever looked at any land in Meriwether County? I believe that's right below Senoia. I'll bet it's dirt cheap down in Meriwether, and there's plenty of it. Nice countryside. I drive through that area every time I go from my house (near Columbus) up to my parents' house, which is between Hampton and Fayetteville, with a Hampton address. Fayette County is really nice, and it's growing.
Clayton used to be nice in the old days, but they overbuilt with tiny homes and apartments. It's gotten sort of trashy in alot of areas. It still has some nice areas down in the panhandle region, but outside of that, it's overgrown. And the schools are not that good anymore.
Culb,
Has your dad ever looked at any land in Meriwether County? I believe that's right below Senoia. I'll bet it's dirt cheap down in Meriwether, and there's plenty of it. Nice countryside. I drive through that area every time I go from my house (near Columbus) up to my parents' house, which is between Hampton and Fayetteville, with a Hampton address. Fayette County is really nice, and it's growing.
Clayton used to be nice in the old days, but they overbuilt with tiny homes and apartments. It's gotten sort of trashy in alot of areas. It still has some nice areas down in the panhandle region, but outside of that, it's overgrown. And the schools are not that good anymore.