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Realizing the "Flunkgate" and other setbacks that CCG has had to contend with at GT, he may have been cut some slack, but anymore I'm wondering if........

*Under CCG's HC leadership, will GT ever win another game against UGA?

*Under CCG's HC leadership, will GT ever win another NCAA Football Championsip?

*Under CCG's HC leadership, will GT ever dominate the ACC?

*Under CCG's HC leadership, will GT ever be a top level competitor in recruiting?

*Under CCG's HC leadership, will GT ever have a week in/week out consistently well played football game, (win or lose)?

This is by no means intended to be a bash Chan post, it's just my questions for the GT Football program in general. If these questions can honestly be answered with a "yes" and backed up with a legit reason why, I surely would appreciate hearing it.
 
You may not have intended it as Chan bashing but you've certainly opened the door for it.

Sadly, I think you can substitute pretty much any name for Chan's and the same answers you're gonna get will hold true.
 
I have a better question rome...under what coach have all those things ever happened at Tech? I have no problem with high standards, but a couple of those are not realistic fwhoever our coach is/was.

Can Chan beat ugag...he better.

Will we win another MNC? Odds are probably against it, but then that's true for all but about 10 programs in the country.

Will we dominate the ACC? Probably not, but we can be one of the top programs. (no one will ever dominate the ACC like FSU did when they first entered, just like no one dominates the SEC).

Will be be a top level competitor in recruiting? Depends on what you mean...top 25 class - yes. Top 10 probably not, there just aren't enough of the top kids who want to deal with our academics.

Can we play consistently week to week? Yes, but we aren't doing it now.
 
romegajacket said:
Realizing the "Flunkgate" and other setbacks that CCG has had to contend with at GT, he may have been cut some slack, but anymore I'm wondering if........

*Under CCG's HC leadership, will GT ever win another game against UGA?

*Under CCG's HC leadership, will GT ever win another NCAA Football Championsip?

*Under CCG's HC leadership, will GT ever dominate the ACC?

*Under CCG's HC leadership, will GT ever be a top level competitor in recruiting?

*Under CCG's HC leadership, will GT ever have a week in/week out consistently well played football game, (win or lose)?

This is by no means intended to be a bash Chan post, it's just my questions for the GT Football program in general. If these questions can honestly be answered with a "yes" and backed up with a legit reason why, I surely would appreciate hearing it.
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I'll chime in before anyone degrades this thread:

1.) Win vs. UGA - Wins will be tough against the current UGA. They are a on a level above us right now. I think the gap is being narrowed, but there is still a gap nonetheless. I do think a win is necessary soon. Otherwise, it will be another long offseason with a fan-base that is growing more restless.

2.) MNC - Doubtful. As stated before, there are 10 teams that will typically compete each year. If we keep getting the talent of last year's class and even this year's class, we will begin to compete, but it is unlikely to happen anytime soon.

3.) Maybe not year in and year out, but last year could have been a dominating year.

4.) Recruiting is much better now. I would not be surprised to see us in at least the top 25 each year with a possible top-15 team thrown in there somewhere. We're not a football factory.

5.) Has any university ever had this? Just look at the number of huge upsets this year. These were not teams that you expected to be beaten that badly. For example, UGA lost to an unranked South Carolina. Two weeks later they beat a #16 Alabama. I think our goal should not necessarily be consistency, but rather to be able to win on even our down games.
 
First of all nc jacket brings up an excellent point:

nc jacket: ...under what coach have all those things ever happened at Tech?
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Since the days of Bobby Dodd, George O'Leary had the most success speaking strictly W/L --six out of seven winning seasons --three straight seasons of eight wins or more (including a 10 win season) --his teams won three bowl games (although GO'L wasn't actually at the healm for the last one). His teams won over 60% of their games --and he became the first coach since BD to defeat UGA three consecutive years.

But for all of this 'success', I would have to say that Tech under GO'L only accomplished one of the five points listed --that being winning against UGA.

Looking at Tech under Chan Gailey --five straight seasons over .500 --2006 Coastal Division --two bowl wins (but three bowl losses) -- a winning percentage of 57%. Last year did end on a sour note and the last two weeks have suddenly turned high expectations (for me anyway) to disappointment.

CG is currently mired in mediocrity and his teams are so unpredictable when it comes to consistency --which is probably what bothers me the most. I'm happy that CG has continued where GO'L left off and that Tech hasn't suffered a dismal season (as happened with BLewis, BRoss, BCurry and to an extent BCarson) but I'm ready to take the next step.

Under Chan Gailey:

will GT ever win another game against UGA?
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UGA has a good football program and GT has been in a position to win the last three meetings. UGA consistently will have more talent than GT, but I feel that the difference in talent between the two is a lot less than it used to be. GT will beat UGA again --it would do CG well to do it this season though.

Will GT win another MNC?
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Probably not --although you never know. I'm sure that plenty of us felt GT would have a good football team in 1990 --but I know I never thought I would see a MNC in my lifetime --I'm very happy that I now know what that feels like and would certainly love to experience it again.

Will we dominate the ACC?
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No. With exception to the SIAAC between 1916-21, Tech has never dominated any conference it's been a member of. GT did win back-to-back conference titles in the SEC a couple of times. The ACC has been down for a couple of years but with programs like VT, Miami, FSU, Clemson, BC, (UVA on the road every other year) GT will never dominate.

Will GT ever be a top level competitor in recruiting?
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I agree with 'ncj' :

nc jacket: ...top 25 class - yes. Top 10 probably not, there just aren't enough of the top kids who want to deal with Tech's academics.
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Will GT ever have a week in/week out consistently well played football game, (win or lose)?
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As I stated this is what troubles me the most about CGG's football teams. Consistency has not been a trait of CG's teams to this point. I think Tech can become a consistent football program --but I'm still waiting to see it.
 
Coach O'Leary and his players did a great job in that span, but the UGAg bar was set lower then. George never beat FSU and they were closer in strength over that period to what UGAg is now.
 
Re the often expressed challenge relating to GT's academics, am I missing something or wasn't it a bit of a watershed when the Ga Dept of Ed announced two weeks ago that all Ga HS students will be required to complete four years of Sc and math to graduate henceforth?

And hasn't this been one of the main stumbling blocks for Tech in recruiting in state over the past couple of decades?
 
dcjacket said:
Re the often expressed challenge relating to GT's academics, am I missing something or wasn't it a bit of a watershed when the Ga Dept of Ed announced two weeks ago that all Ga HS students will be required to complete four years of Sc and math to graduate henceforth?

And hasn't this been one of the main stumbling blocks for Tech in recruiting in state over the past couple of decades?
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Yes...starts with the next freshman class though, so it will take a few years to get caught up to speed. However, by making them take math classes, I also believe they dropped the foreign language requirement, which GT also requires several years of if I am not mistaken...Students are still gonig to have to want to succeed in school to get into GT...
 
ncjacket said:
Math and math that meets Tech's requirements are two different things.
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NCJ,
I have no idea what GT's math requirements are, nor do I have a clue what any other college's requirements are. Matter of Fact, I've asked the question on requirements at GT before on Stingtalk, and no one seemed to have a realistic answer.

You've called me out on this post and that's ok but I'm simply stating a view point from a fan, not a fellow GT student or alumni of whom I have highest regards.

I've never attended the first day as a student at GT so I honestly have no idea about requirements. You tell us about "math and math that meets GT requirements". If you know what the requirements are in math of GT compared to all the other schools, share with us all. What is the requirement in math to graduate from GT? Auburn? UGA? Florida St.? Florida? Tennessee? LSU? Clemson? etc.? What is the difference in the math taught at GT and any of the other schools listed above?

Regarding recruiting you stated that we were 18th last year and what did I need to be above "so so".
Since year 2002 thru 2007, according to Rivals.com, we averaged 51st place in recruiting. UGA averaged 6th for the same period. Also according to Rivals, we averaged 741 points compared to UGA's 2102. The leaders of recruiting for this same period averaged 2822 points.

You tell me, are we doing better than "so-so"? Agreed, last year we did turn the corner and I'm very glad and proud for that, but I still don't see anything to cheer for in recruiting. Not yet anyhow. When I do, I'll lead the cheers.
 
romegajacket said:
You tell us about "math and math that meets GT requirements". If you know what the requirements are in math of GT compared to all the other schools, share with us all. What is the requirement in math to graduate from GT? Auburn? UGA? Florida St.? Florida? Tennessee? LSU? Clemson? etc.? What is the difference in the math taught at GT and any of the other schools listed above?
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Can't say for sure, but I'm pretty sure he was referring to the math requirements to get into Tech. Assuming most football players will go the Management route, Tech requires Algebra I and II, Geometry, and one year of advanced math (Advanced Algebra, Trig, or above) to be admitted into the School of Management. I can't comment with regard to other school's entrance requirements.

http://www.admiss.gatech.edu/freshman/#reqs

I would think that many top student athletes in Georgia currently on take those first three (because they're only required to take three). If so, that would have at least some affect on our current in-state recruiting.

However, when the requirement changes all students would meet Tech's current math entrance requirements for the School of Management.
 
rome, I don't know that I "called you out" but rather asked you to clarify what you were saying. I'm not defending recruiting in Chan's early years but he does seem to have figured it out. Last year's class was ranked pretty well by all services and this year's is depending on who you listen to. I don't know where it will end up but you don't normally see a 20 place difference between the two. I would expect this class to be top 25 or thereabouts if we finish as we started. If we do, I assume that's better than so-so?

haywire spoke to the math issues. My point was that it's possible to take 4 math courses in high school and still not have the right courses to be admitted to Tech. Perhaps that will change with GA's new requirements.
 
romegajacket said:
*Under CCG's HC leadership, will GT ever win another game against UGA?

*Under CCG's HC leadership, will GT ever win another NCAA Football Championsip?

*Under CCG's HC leadership, will GT ever dominate the ACC?

*Under CCG's HC leadership, will GT ever be a top level competitor in recruiting?

*Under CCG's HC leadership, will GT ever have a week in/week out consistently well played football game, (win or lose)?
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Assuming he doesn't get fired this year...

yes
no
possibly
already is
'week in week out' begs a definition.

But really, if he doesn't beat UGA this year the rest of the questions are all probably 'nos' because he'll get fired. And in my opinion, the next guy we hire will be in worse shape than he is.
 
Rome,

I understand your frustration with CCG, and many feel he is the worst coach in Div-1A; but I could easily edit your post to make a point:


*Under CCW's HC leadership, will ND ever win another game against UM?

*Under CCW's HC leadership, will ND ever win another NCAA Football Championsip?

*Under CCW's HC leadership, will ND ever dominate at Southbend?

*Under CCW's HC leadership, will ND continue to be a top level competitor in recruiting?

*Under CCW's HC leadership, will ND ever have a single consistently well played football game, (win or lose)?

I know we don't give a hoot about Charlie Weis; but Gailey has produced winning season's every year he has been at GT despite not having anywhere near the reasources of ND's "football messiah". Gailey has produced winning season's despite flunkgate and a probation he inherited from some posters' hero, O'leary. We need to be cautious about rolling the dice on a new HC; because we can very easily do much worse.

I hope CCG can use he current recruiting success to find a legit QB (maybe Nesbitt is that guy), and an offensive line that is man enough to push a defensive front four off the line of scrimmage. If our current OL would man up, we'd be looking at a much different season right now.
 
aeromech said:
I hope CCG can use he current recruiting success to find a legit QB (maybe Nesbitt is that guy), and an offensive line that is man enough to push a defensive front four off the line of scrimmage. If our current OL would man up, we'd be looking at a much different season right now.
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What good is it to recruit top notch QB's if they never get the opportunity to see the field? It is much better to have >2 capable QB's that see playing time in case the "annointed one" just isn't getting things accomplished. We see what UF was able to do with 2 QB's that each had different strengths last season. We also see what happened when our "annointed one" was limited by injury. His play became a liability, and no substitution was ever made. If Bennett is not moving the team, and scoring points, then Booker and or Nesbitt need to see PT.
 
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