Gulp! Insiders has GT ranked 7th in ACC.

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GT is ranked higher than WF & Duke. Thank goodness above that Scott & Grant chose Tech.
NC St (11th) & NCar (12th) are barely behind Ga(9th) & everyone believes Ga's bringing in a great class. NC St is building quite a team. NCar needs another yr like this one. Virginia's got another top20 class & is building quite a team.
FSU, with only 12 commits so far, will soar from the 32nd spot by Thurs. Clem may be a tad high @ 25 & Mary a tad low @ 28.
GT, in 38th spot, could be considered a tad low. Certainly Oliver deserved more stars & perhaps Anoai (our starting DEs in '05). Wheeler deserved another star & Wrotto could've gotten 1 more also. By the same token, tho, 2-3 could've been given 1 star. We'll probably finish a solid 7th in ACC ranking in Newberg's & Insider's eyes.
Perhaps this will mean nothing in 2-3 yrs, perhaps it will mean everything. Let's hope we can hang onto them all for 3-4 yrs so that we don't get caught in a 'numbers crunch' bind. Here's Insiders' rankings:

Insiders' recruiting rankings
 
I'm not really surprised. Gregg Garrett in his chat warned that the 950 "guideline/rule" will hurt and it already has. Think how much better this class would be with Johnson and Graydon both of whom expressed an interest in coming to Tech. We have some very good players but we also have some reaches including a cornerback who runs a 4.7 40. At a time when a school like UVA is lowering it's academic requirements (UVA wouldn't have taken Ahman Brooks 20 years ago), we are raising ours. The sad part is that it is short-sighted. The people on the Hill worshipping at the altar of SAT scores should explain how Daryl Smith with a 850 SAT score is Academic All-ACC while we have a walk-on who is currently academically ineligible.
 
I guess the question I have is: Does this class include anyone under 950 SAT? If they're allowing exceptions to the "guideline", then I don't think it's really a problem. OTOH, it might be a real problem if we're excluding kids that want to come here and can help us win.
 
I'm definitely not a gold-colored glasses guy, but from following recruiting over the years, it seems to me that we have met some needs which haven't been met in a while. Like, for instance, corners with better than average speed. We seem to have done that now. Also seems that maybe (hopefully) we can get a couple of big (and effective) DL run stopper types. I'm also sticking to me idea that these rankings are, to a large degree, complete BS. (obviously excluding the top 2-3 schools year in and year out). I'm hoping that maybe, somehow, the current staff is finding some great kids who want to play, and maybe have some intangibles the coaches like.

OTOH, I'm perplexed at the "strategy" of not bringing in more people and not getting some of these good players who seemed to want to attend Tech (this is the most perplexing).

Overall, its an unknown at this point IMO, and we may not know for a couple of years. It does look like we may get a good QB from the group as well.
 
Goldrush, it's actually not total BS. I'll supply a link that Lawbee posted on ST that correlates the AP top 25 with the recruiting services top 25. The mirror image is staggering. Here is my reply to Lawbee's post & then the link to the AP & recruiting polls.

Indisputable correlation. Perhaps the exact # is not the same, but the range IS. Top10 recruiters are in top10, top20 recruiters are in top20, top25 recruiters are in top25.
People who say recruiting doesn't matter should take a hard look at this. People who think a coupla recruiting classes ranked by Superpreps in the 40s or 50s will play top20 football are whistling past the graveyard.

AP top 25 & Superpreps top25
 
Not the best class we've ever signed, at least on paper, but we did address real needs at QB and DB and seem to have gotten some solid kids who should be able to contribute. The overall class has speed. With everything we've been through I think it's pretty good all in all.

3518techie, you're going to have to fill me in on the corner with the 4.7 40. Haven't seen that on any site for any of our DB signees.
 
NCjacket, per Insiders, Fleuridor was timed at 4.65+ at the Nike camp
 
The recruiting services think Fleuridor is a 'reach'. Brian was 2nd team all-state 4A as a Jr with 7 interceptions. He fell off his Sr yr to 2 ints & had a slow time at Nike camp.
Here is what concerns everyone: is Brian the player that his Jr yr says he is or the player that his Sr yr says he is. Every major team fell off him during his Sr yr & he was not offered by anyone. His insiders bio says he was considering Colo St, but with no offer. Are our coaches finding diamonds or polished coal? Can they coach him up?
Likewise, Oliver & Anoai could become very good DEs with the coaching necessary & be better than advertised.
 
GTAce, I don't think I'd put Anoia, or even Oliver in the same class as Fleuridor. Anoia has been offered by Auburn, and S. Carolina was after him before he signed with us.

Oliver also appears to be a good pickup.

I think if you had to label "reaches", Fleuridor would be the one commit that sticks out this year.

All IMO, of course
 
Exactly, CrackerJacket...at the end of the day, the recruiting rankings are far from an exact science.

I think we did well, but WTH do I know?

We'll have to wait and see...
 
Sorry, TiarB, I didn't mean for it to sound like Anoai & Oliver were a reach like Fleuridor. Started a new paragraph thinking to say that 'with coaching' Oliver & Anoai could be very good, but it could be construed as a continuation of the Fleuridor thought.
Oliver & Anoai are solid players. Oliver had an outstanding Sr season that vaulted him to 1st team all-state. Anoai will gain wt & could also be right at Oliver in talent. I like these 2. I just don't know what we got in Fleuridor.
 
Its important to keep in mind that the Insiders
ranking if purely based on stars and not filling
need.

We could hypothetically sign a class full of 5
star runningbacks and have the #1 class in the
country but it would hurt the team we'd field.

We got a stud RB, three solid QBs, a couple of
well regarded DBs, big strong LBs, and the first
serious DT prospects I can remember in a while.

This class filled needs that are not reflected
purely by star rankings.
 
Originally posted by TIAR,B:
NCjacket, per Insiders, Fleuridor was timed at 4.65+ at the Nike camp
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Found it interesting talking to coaches yesterday morning how when they have guys in camp how their times differ from those per Insiders/Rivals and nike camps.

Found it intersting to hear a lot of things yesterday in all honesty.

Appreciate the job insiders and rivals people do for us fans.

The coaches do much more evaluation on these players than rivals or insiders. They're the ones with the job to field a winning team. Not insiders or rivals.
 
GTT - I would agree - Rivals and Insiders are not the ones who will coach and develop the kids.

However, I thought it was interesting that CG specifically metioned the Nike camp last night as a way to get good information on a recruits ht/wt/speed.

I think it is safe to say the Nike Camp, sort of like a 3rd party combine, provides a lot more insight into the true athletic measurements(only 1 aspect of a S-A prospect, I will grant you - albiet not a trival one).
 
The fact is, its just too early to declare if this recruiting year will be good or bad...We just won't know till a tear or two down the road (who is still with the program, who has gained strength, maybe gained some speed, who has the necessary desire and motivation etc etc etc

I try and call things as I see them, rather than take a position and find ways to support that.

I was very unhappy with some specific coaching related things last year, on the field.

By the same token, I thought last years recruiting class was pretty good (despite the size), so based on that, I have to give the staff the benefit of doubt on recruiting.

I think its great that we finally got a couple of big run stoppers. Man, it seems like the last of this position was K Battle (how long has THAT been?)

We have corners with good/great speed....An aggressive defense needs this, and we have had to use smoke and mirrors for a pass rush to make up for this....I recall those gr eat UNC defenses under M Brown, all started with great corners. Without that, you are forced to do certian things defensively to make up for that. Now maybe we'll able to do the same.

We got desperately needed QBs, at least one of whom I expect to contribute early AND give us a lift there...

We could have used another OL or two, but with Phillips back, and maybe a conversion from DL, we'll be ok (definetely needs attention next year)

All in all, I'm pleased with recruiting, and a BIG plus, to me, is the character traits I keep reading about with these recruits...I believe they will represent us quite well for the next 4-5 years.

And maybe a little optimism tells me that perhaps Chan can implement his scheme with his players.

I sure hope so.
 
This is a good solid Average class.Not what we need to compete with Fsu,NCSt,or even Va.There are some good players but even a perceived strength ,QB, can be construed negatively.We signed 3 but really only one can play so we have relegated 2 others to other positions.(btw-Don't even think that a position switch is a sure thing at this level)
There is a SERIOUS problem brewing in the Line especially the OL.You CANNOT recruit just 4 real OLs in a 2 yr period and expect to be competitive in the trenches 2 yrs from now.We aren't playing tag Fball.This will be a shell of a team with no running game in 3 yrs.Did you like the throwing on 3rd and 2 this year?Get use to it.
To give you a example of what other teams have- Auburn signs a punter who averages 47 yds (tops in state)a punt.We ask a walk-on who averages 39.Those 2 could be the respective punters next yr.The only track time I see for us is Dunlap at a 11.1 100 meters.Alabama mentions a guy runs a 10.4.Just anecdotal.This is without even discussing UGa.
I would LOVE for these guys to be over-achievers.At least we can be probably assured they won't flunk -out,these days.
 
GTAce, I think we are in agreement on Fleridor. My guess would be that there are 3 or perhaps 4 guys from this class that will never see the travel team.

From the little bit of film they showed at the Sining day banquet, I was most impressed with Anoia, Moore, and Grant.

All 3 *really* jumped out at you. I am really glad we wound up with Moore in the end.

All IMO, of course
 
AlaGold: You stated: "....QB can be construed negatively. We signed 3 but only 1 can play."

Wow - how much film have you seen with these guys?

Are you Nostradamus or something ?
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Goldrush, You don't have to be Nostradamus to know that only one QB will play at a time ,so I assume you missed my point.Unless of course you know the new OC will run a special 2 QB offense.
 
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