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Big Buck

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According to sunday's Macon Telegraph & News we had two players to quit the team last week-Albert Poree and Hobie Holiday. I don't know about you guys and gals but Chan is looking eerily like Bill
Lewis his first year at Tech. There is something very wrong with this football team-and it's not the players. We all know that we have a fine group of wide receivers and suddenly they can't run the routes or catch passes.We persist in playing Suggs
at the total exclusion of Bilbo and this makes absolutely no sense at all. Not only is Suggs playing abysmally but what will happen if Suggs suffers an injury and we are forced to go with Bilbo who hasn't taken a single snap with the first unit. This team is not coached and there is obviously some unrest on the team evidenced by the happenings of this past week. CG acknowledged on his call in show
that we have no check off system and that isn't good.He lamented the fact that he had some talented DB'S but many of them had no experience.
How will they get experience if he doesn't play them? He didn't play the Henderson kid much either until yesterday and after being given a chance to play he did very well just as Houston did.If CG doesn't give Bilbo an opportunity to play I am afraid Chan will fiddle around andlose him as well. I don't like what i'm seeing.
 
1) At the QB situation we are in trouble right now. Suggs is struggling and Bilbo according to my sources is not ready to be the starter (Locks on to the primary receiver if he is not open tucks it and runs). That said I think we should be using Bilbo with a specific set of plays

2) Nothing is wrong with the recivers. What you are seeing is a QB and WR who are not on the same page. Unfortunately, we got spoiled with Joe Hamilton and then Godsey with the QB knowing exactly where the WR would be on every play

3)The situation with Holiday I think is culmination of frsutration about playing time. Hobie has not been able to break into the starting lineup with this staff or the previuos staff. We may a seriuos mistake by not redshirting him his freshman year when he say mopup duty at MLB

4) Houston was hurt last week. I agree with you we should be playing more guys on defense an offense
 
Big Buck, I tend to agree with you here. There is no reason for not playing a lot of players and keeping everyone fresh, especially defensive linemen. It tires defenisive linemen out very quickly rushing the passer and chasing the quarterback. It is "essential" the defensive people stay fresh.

I don't know whether it is Gailey or Tenuta, but Gailey is ultimately responsible for the bottom line and the players. North Carolina became disenchanted with Tenuta for a reason, and it was rumored, he is overbearing in his approach to the players. Whether that is true or not, can only be assessed from the inside.

However, it is a given fact, no athlete likes to practice his rear end off and not get into the games on Saturdays. I also agree that Bilbo should have been inserted in both games. Again, it is unknown to us whether it was O'Brien or Gailey's decision.

This is also a fact, a player gets hurt more quickly when he is tired. When the muscles are exhausted, they cannot hold the joints together as effectively as when they are fresh and strong.

Either it was ESP or 50+ years of football that sent a shiver up my spine when Hollings was re-inserted in the game in the last two+ minutes. The game was essentially over, and we had just intercepted the ball. All we had to do was run some time off the clock.

When I saw Hollings re-intering the game, I cringed because I new it was stupid and he could get hurt. He was tired, and it was the perfect time to give Ace some more experience. As it turned out, Hollings was hurt the first play, and Ace had to play the remaining downs anyway.

Had Hollings leg muscles not been tired, it is possible, he could have protected his knee better. It appeared his leg gave out on the cut.

Yes, Poree made some mistakes and they should be corrected, but you have to do these things in a positive manner. If Hobie Holiday did not play during the game, I don't blame him for quitting. There was no excuse for not playing all of the available linemen, because of the amount of passing and quarterback keepers.

It was also inexcusable for Bilbo to remain on the bench in the last two games. We had given him ample playing time in the first two games. It is grossly neligent that he was not playing the last couple of series when we were trying to run some time off the boards. Bilbo, along with Ace, would have given us two good runners in the backfield two control the clock. Heck, we could have placed Dixon there, also, and had three runners to control the clock.

If Gailey does not make some needed adjustments, we are in for a long year, and Gailey's honeymoon will come to an abrupt end.

By the way, BYU was not a good football team. We did not beat a good team. Both teams were inept, and it was an ugly game.

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This is also a fact, a player gets hurt more quickly when he is tired. When the muscles are exhausted, they cannot hold the joints together as effectively as when they are fresh and strong.

Either it was ESP or 50+ years of football that sent a shiver up my spine when Hollings was re-inserted in the game in the last two+ minutes. The game was essentially over, and we had just intercepted the ball. All we had to do was run some time off the clock.

When I saw Hollings re-intering the game, I cringed because I new it was stupid and he could get hurt. He was tired, and it was the perfect time to give Ace some more experience. As it turned out, Hollings was hurt the first play, and Ace had to play the remaining downs anyway.

Had Hollings leg muscles not been tired, it is possible, he could have protected his knee better. It appeared his leg gave out on the cut.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">And yet we see people saying this was a "freak" injury?
 
Did you see the play? Did you see the replays? Is WAS a freak injury. The combination of tripping on a lineman's leg and the way he landed is what caused the injury. BTW who is the expert who can verify the level of exhaustion at which an injury to the knee is more likely?

As far as Poree and Holiday (if true, haven't seen this anywhere else) their frustration with not getting more PT and their ineffectiveness when they have played are the reason they have left. Why is that the coaches fault? This staff didn't recruit either player. Both have had ample opportunities to make an impact and simply haven't. If anything, fans expectations likely had as much to do with their frustration/embarrassment as anything.

In case you haven't noticed players leave programs whenever there is a coaching change. We lost a ton of Curry players when Ross came on board. Ditto with Ross' guys under Lewis and with Lewis' players when O'Leary arrived. It happened at UNC, NCSU, etc. etc. etc. Some of you guys are simply ridiculous.
 
NCJacket you are correct...

Knee injuries are usuually freak circumstances..see Jeery Mays injury running a toss sweep in shorts in practice. You are correct about players leaving during coaching changes.

Notre Dame has seen seven players go since Ty arrived an Richt has seen at least 8 including the following Dantra Clements, Matt Redding, Tavares Morgan, and Jason Rader.

Sometimes I can believe the amount of second guessing and declaratory statements people make based on no facts. Bottom line on Hobie he was not getting done for the previous staff or this one. He is a guy who could not make the transition from High School to College ball effectively. Not a slam on him as it happens all the time everywhere. Recruiting is an inexact science at best
 
Originally posted by bellyseries:
ncjacket, you are exactly right.
I'm frustrated like many of us about Bilbo, but the bottom line is , I don't know what's going through the coaches' minds, I don't know what they are seeing in practice, I don't know what feedback they're getting from Damarius himself.
I do know that comparing this staff to Bill Lewis is outlandishly premature.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Great post Belly !! I agree completely... and on top of that... I would venture to say that many on this board and others have never played a down of organized football in their life... there are many things that factor in to decisions made, injuries, etc...
 
Uhhhh...Big Buck, let me see if I follow your logic:

You are mad at the coaching staff because Poree and Holiday quit the team. Unless I have missed something, both players share the common characteristic of having been given ample opprotunity to prove themselves, but consistently beaten out by younger players playing better. That is across different positions (where the staff is trying to put them in a position to help the team/be an impact player), and across two entirely different staffs. Seems to me the exact right thing has been done - play the kids who are producing!!

Which, oddly you the complain about the kids who beat them out (Houston and Hendo) not "getting a chance". Oh by the way, in case you do watch the games, Hendo has played in all 4 games this year, and Houston in 3 (he was injured and missed the Clemson game). But why would you be interested in the luxury of facts - they really don't help your argument that Chan Gailey = Bill Lewis

Thanks for playing, tho, and come again soon !
 
TIAR, what do you do for a living, drive a truck for Walmart? Most of us have a college degree and know how to converse with others without getting personal and demeaning. When you mature enough to
engage in meaningful dialogue with others you will find it stimulating plus you can learn a thing or two. I will not attempt to reason with anyone with a 40 IQ since it is like digging a trench in quick sand. It never bothers an intelligent person for others to have opinions contrary to their own but a self appointed guru that has deluded himself that he knows everything
there is to know about every subject is impossible to reason with. I expressed an OPINION_get it an OPINION and God knows Ihope i'm wrong and I acknowledge that I have been wrong before, unlike you. That is all I have to say to you.
 
Originally posted by ncjacket:
and Holiday (if true, haven't seen this anywhere else)
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Me either! Looks more like a rumor to me, so far.
Is there an official story?
 
ncjacket, you are exactly right.
I'm frustrated like many of us about Bilbo, but the bottom line is , I don't know what's going through the coaches' minds, I don't know what they are seeing in practice, I don't know what feedback they're getting from Damarius himself.
I do know that comparing this staff to Bill Lewis is outlandishly premature.
 
Big Buck...........your opinion in comparing this sitution appears to be based on emotion and not on facts. What T,IARB said about Hobie and Albert is spot on. Also, look at other programs who have had coaching changes. Look at how many players did not come back when O'Leary took over after Lewis. IMO, your comparison of this to Bill Lewis is way out in left field
 
83jacket, oponions are like noses, we all have one. I had no problem with him expressing his views and challenging me.But the problem was the approach. He makes a flat statement that my remarks were made because I was mad-in your address you said that it appeared that my remarks
were sprung from emotion. There is a hell of difference between those two characterizations. His
was an absolute discription of my motivation and intentions in his own mind. Based on his words he was assuming what was in my my head and heart. Only the foolish would make a statement like that.
In your reply to me you used the term "appear"
which suggested that based on my post that led you to believe that what I said was not well thought out.Well on that we will have to agree to disagree. My point about Hendo was that Gailey didn't give him any meaningful minutes against a good team,namely Clemson. He played him in the two blowouts but if he saw the field at all against the tigers it was minimal. When CG was forced by attrition to play Hendo we all saw that he produced and I suspect that many other young players would produce as well. He simply refuses to go deep on his bench and develop this young talent and if he doesn't play them they too will leave. This is not an emotional,shoot from the hip statement. Another concern I have is young Bilbo. This kid knows whats going on and I fear that if CG doesn't play him that he will leave
also. I'm not alone in fearig the worse as we could hear loud and clear at Grant Field on Sat.
 
I think the point being made is that Al Groh plays 13 freshmen and says come to Virginia and you won't get splinters. Bobby Bowden plays 70 kids a game. When everyone plays it is a Team that is happy and practices well and plays well. The level of play I have seen does NOT show me a happy Team having fun and apparently the fans aren't happy either.
 
Ncjacket, yes I saw the play and the replay at least five times. I still have the same opinion. The play was mild, but he was probably too weak in his muscles at that time to keep his knee from buckling.

Is their doubt about whether being tired had anything to do with it? Absolutely!. Is it a fact that it would not have happened if he had just started the game and was fresh? No, it still may have happened.

All I am saying is many a coach would not have let him go back in at that time just because he was tired and had already injured it to some degree earlier.

Personlly, I would have never placed him back in the game at that time. I would have played Ace at that particular time.

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ahsoisee, I understand what you are saying and I think it comes down to whether he should have been playing at all. I could easily understand if they had never put him back in at all if they thought there was a problem. But after they checked him out he seemed to be able to go and told them he had no pain (see the article this morning). So he then proceeded to carry the ball something like 14 more times. There was probably not question of how he was doing at that point. If they had doubts about him, he never should have gone back in. If anything his performance between the two injuries and the fact he kept saying he was okay probably removed all doubt from the coaches minds.

It's easy to say they should never have relied on the player, but you have to, to some extent. If the trainers felt good about it and he said he felt fine, what do you do?

My main point is that it's a sad situation for both Tony and the team. The fact that we are having this type of discussion just makes it worse on everyone.
 
I have to chime in with a bit of medical know how...

This assumes that it's a torn ACL. If not, then ignore this post.

Fatigue wasn't a factor in this type of injury. Muscles don't have a thing to do with it. Your inner knee has no muscles. Your outer knee has very very few. It's all tendons and cartilage. Your ACL holds your knee in place front to back, and your MCL holds in in place side to side. No matter how strong or fresh your leg muscles, the right kind of hit can dislodge the cartilage, causing a tear.

Ahso has a small point in that if the muscles are strong, and you flex them to keep the knee from buckling, that it might not have happened. However, you would have to be flexing the right way at the right time, and it might have even made it worse. Flexing while being hit often causes more damage to tissue. That's why drunk drivers survive more accidents...they don't tense up at the moment of impact.

People tear their ACLs slipping off sidewalks. It's a freak injury, but a common freak injury. It's unpredictable when or how it happens. My sister tore hers while running. Just running. I played football, and got hit in the legs a lot, but never tore mine. Just the way the body is made, that's all. Fatugue may have been a small factor, but not much.

If it IS a muscle related injury, then no doubt fatugue was a factor. Pulled hammy, or quad, yes. But we know that it's the knee, and that it was swollen pretty good. Sounds like an ACL.
 
Thank you, Culb. It is good to hear from someone who knows what he's talking about.

S___ Happens, and some happened to Tony. By the way what profanity was list mom talking about? I haven't noticed any since the F word went through here without a reprimand a couple weeks ago.

And Big Buck, what's this about truck drivers? What are you, the wife of a Enron executive? You can't stand common folks?
 
Big Buck...

I agree that we should play more players. My response to you was primarily based on drawing an unfair comparision to Bill Lewis based on Holiday and Poree leaving the team. The facts are that both Poree and Holiday had ample opportunity under two entirely different staffs and weren't able to become starters.
 
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