Holding

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mm42

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OK, I and others have whined about holding calls this year a few times, especially after the BC game.

Skeptics have responded with "you can call holding every play" and "the ref can't call it if he doesn't see it", etc.

So I have 3 questions:

1. Is this holding?

2. Is this worse than "garden variety" holding?

3. Can you explain how the ref, in this instance, could fail to see it?

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It's impossible to tell from a still shot. There is holding on every single play in football, you have to see how it happens in the flow of the game. Get a clip of this instead.
 
gth816f said:
It's impossible to tell from a still shot. There is holding on every single play in football, you have to see how it happens in the flow of the game. Get a clip of this instead.
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Well, an arm across the front of the defender is holding, I don't care what the flow of the game was. But the simple answer is that the ref either a) plain didn't see it...there is a lot to look at and he may just have missed it, or b) he saw it but didn't think it affected the play...hard to believe that one, but who knows.
 
ncjacket said:
b) he saw it but didn't think it affected the play...hard to believe that one, but who knows.
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From my perspective, it appeared to affect the play in that it kept Wheeler from ending Kyle Wright's life.
 
mm42 said:
From my perspective, it appeared to affect the play in that it kept Wheeler from ending Kyle Wright's life.
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You have a clip of it then? Why not post it? Where are you getting the caps from?
 
You got that right. HOLDING and 3 steps away from the freakin ER. The 2nd clip is not a hold. That is legal.
 
gth816f said:
You have a clip of it then? Why not post it? Where are you getting the caps from?
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I have it on my DVR - not very easy for me to dump a clip from that.

It is a ridiculously obvious hold, and obviously affected the play.

I'm amazed you think there's some question, when the guy is clearly holding Wheeler back with his arm across his chest and the ref is staring straight at it.
 
JOJATEC#1 said:
You got that right. HOLDING and 3 steps away from the freakin ER. The 2nd clip is not a hold. That is legal.
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The 2nd one is much harder to see what is going on from the still shot. The Miami player is behind Robertson and he is impeding his forward motion by pulling on his shoulder. It's a hold, but it's nothing compared to the hold on Wheeler. I picked it over a few others that were more flagrant because I was looking for shots where it was obvious that one of the refs could see what was happening.
 
That looks like someone TiVo'd the game, paused it, and took a picture of the screen with a digital camera.
 
mm42 said:
OK, I and others have whined about holding calls this year a few times, especially after the BC game.

Skeptics have responded with "you can call holding every play" and "the ref can't call it if he doesn't see it", etc.

So I have 3 questions:

1. Is this holding?

2. Is this worse than "garden variety" holding?

3. Can you explain how the ref, in this instance, could fail to see it?

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If he didn't get called for it, it's not holding.:fingersx:
 
mm42 said:
I have it on my DVR - not very easy for me to dump a clip from that.

It is a ridiculously obvious hold, and obviously affected the play.

I'm amazed you think there's some question, when the guy is clearly holding Wheeler back with his arm across his chest and the ref is staring straight at it.
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I'm not necessarily saying there's a question of it holding, just that I haven't seen the play(well, I'm sure I did live, but I don't remember it). I just don't think you can tell from a still shot, so I would've liked to see the clip if you had DVR'd it on your computer or something. I have the capability on my computer, but I've never scheduled it for some reason. It would be really useful because we're always talking about specific plays and we never have any reference point except what we all saw when watching it(and for home games we are all seeing it in person, generally from not great vantage points). For example, I'd love to see a clip of that first interception, because everything says it was really obvious interference, yet all I noticed when watching it was the triple coverage, because that's what I was concentrating on.
 
gth816f said:
I'd love to see a clip of that first interception, because everything says it was really obvious interference, yet all I noticed when watching it was the triple coverage, because that's what I was concentrating on.
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Agreed - it was a horrible read by Taylor to throw into that coverage. YET, he made a great throw and it could easily have been a TD without the arm yanking by Miami.

Still, I hope when he watches the film he sees something better he could/should have done on that play.
 
GTKyle said:
Yes. You should have used TiVoDesktop and then taken a screen capture.
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It's not Tivo - it's crappy Comcast DVR, so I don't know if it has any equivalent capability. I will look into it.

P.S. It's actually worse than you thought, I used my phone to take the picture. It was a real pretty HD picture before that, too.
 
My question is have you recognized that I was right with regards to our Left Guard? He holded again this past Saturday whie he was getting beat down like a bitch, and then retaliated because he can't hack it and caused us a 15 yard penalty. AGAIN.

Of course I was just hallucinating all of that if you recall, right?
 
BarrelORum said:
My question is have you recognized that I was right with regards to our Left Guard? He holded again this past Saturday whie he was getting beat down like a bitch, and then retaliated because he can't hack it and caused us a 15 yard penalty. AGAIN.

Of course I was just hallucinating all of that if you recall, right?
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I never said the holding penalties were hallucinations, and Matt has had more than his share this year, true.

However, the 15-yarder was not anything to do with his play, he was trying to pull the guys punching Nesbitt off of him.

The OL on the whole played a pretty fair game Saturday, most rushing yards on Miami since LSU in 2005 and first 200-yard rusher in 10 years. That was with 2 guys out hurt as well, so this is a bad week to badmouth the OL.

Let's hear some venom for the receivers or somebody else.
 
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