How good is the ACC really?

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As of now the conference is 3-6 in bowl play. Two of those wins were 10 points or less margin of victory to the powerhouses Navy and Nevada. Vandy beat BC... Rutgers??? Cincy is leading right now:eek5:

Started to hear the crap about our conference from everyone I know pretty much so did some reading.

So, let's go back to the season. The ACC had the second best OOC record in the nation finishing 37-11.
We also finished 6-4 against the SEC. Check out the ACC's big OOC W's and L's here as well as our record against the other conferences.

http://blog.techsideline.com/?p=372
 
Unfortunately, the ACC has really stunk it up when people are watching the most: very beginning of the season and bowl games.
 
Bowls are about matchups and motivation. Bowls often have mismatches with low teams from one conference matched against strong teams from another. (We were supposed to be one of those matchups in our favor.)

Motivation comes to play when one side is "just having fun" and the other is out to prove something.

As I feared/predicted, LSU found the QB it had been missing all season at the wrong time. And he had something to prove after a couple of games to get his feet wet. The rest of the team had always been strong when they didn't shoot themselves in the foot. (kinda like we did with penalties to keep drives going, turnovers, and not-so-special teams)

Take my word for it, LSU fans are all too familiar with the feeling we had when the team seemed to implode in a very short time period.
 
I'll tell ya, VPI can go to hell. They are a bunch of rogues and are quickly rising up my most hated list. I hope Cincy beats the piss out of 'em.
 
Well I always hated Cincy I just don't want to hear how bad the ACC is... AGAIN. F* it

Maybe some of the older guys know, why'd we leave the SEC to begin with?
 
There are a handful of really exceptional teams and we know who they are. The SEC, Big 12 and Pac 10 are home to these teams --the thing is that the ACC --along with the Big 10 and Big East, have no exceptional teams.

I'm not buying that the ACC is any worse than SEC (minus Bama, UF), Big Ten, Pac 10 (less USC) or the remainder of the Big 12. The ACC is a pretty decent conference right now, nothing special --but I think that is about to change in the next couple of years.
 
The ACC has a bunch of good but not great teams. There's no top tier MNC contenders, so the consensus is that the conference is below others. After watching Penn State play a nearly identical second quarter to ours, I'm convinced that the Big Ten really is lousy.

The real problem with the ACC is the lack of a team that gets the laundry votes. There will be a perception that the ACC is down until either FSU or Miami "rise up" again. This is stupid, but sadly, it's the truth thanks to the world of sports after being filtered through ESPN.
 
GT65_UGA89 said:
I'm not buying that the ACC is any worse than SEC (minus Bama, UF), Big Ten, Pac 10 (less USC) or the remainder of the Big 12. The ACC is a pretty decent conference right now, nothing special --but I think that is about to change in the next couple of years.
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Are you kidding me? We can spend all night running through our stats and comparing them to others. ACC this year was WEAK.
 
I'm certainly not going to be talking up the ACC anymore. Bowl games might be a different animal, but it's still on-the-field, and those results mean more than any type of statistical analysis does. And we are sucking it up in the bowl games.
 
CitySting said:
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Are you kidding me? We can spend all night running through our stats and comparing them to others. ACC this year was WEAK.
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How about this stat then?

6-4 regular season versus the SEC. With three of those 4 wins coming from the SEC's BCS reps.

I know it's hard to think straight when you're giving the SEC a solid reach around all year, but try and give it a shot.
 
Face it...ACC sucked this year! But I'm still happy with 9 wins and 1 of them against the dawgs!!!
 
loyalGTfan said:
Well I always hated Cincy I just don't want to hear how bad the ACC is... AGAIN. F* it

Maybe some of the older guys know, why'd we leave the SEC to begin with?
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The basic reason is that the SEC was going to reduce scholarships and since we had to recruit questionable players because of academics, Dodd did not think we could compete on a weekly basis, as he would not pull scholarships on players that did not work out. Also, he thought we could make more money playing a national schedule and not sharing with a conference. Plus the Darwin Holt/Chick Graning incident. Plus the Bear and others were cheating like hell inb recruiting.
But the answer to the original question, the ACC sucks when compared to the SEC. The top 3 or 4 teams of the SEC would blow the doors off the best team in the ACC in a national championship game.
 
I'm not wasting my time anymore. I'm done talking up the ACC. From here on out, we win them all. That's the only excuse we have. If we lose an OOC game, we will be told that GT is bad.

Get used to it. The ACC is destined to be bad.
 
The ACC has great parity, several good teams, no great ones. Compare with SEC, our top five with their top five:
Va Tech, BC, GT, FSU, Clemson
Fla, LSU, UGA, Bama, Ole Miss
Advantage - SEC, big

Next 4:
Wake, UNC, Maryland, Miami
Vandy, Kentucky, Arkansas, South Carolina
Even, or small advantage, ACC

Bottom 3:
NC State, UVA, Duke
Tennessee, Auburn, Miss State
Slight advantage, SEC

Big 12 bottom of Iowa State, K State, Colorado, Baylor, and A&M is weak, worse than our bottom five by far. But, their top 7 are strong.

Our top 5 matches up fine with Big 10 and Big East. Our bottom teams are better than Big 10's Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Illinois.

Pac 10 has one great one, four pretty good ones, and five that aren't too hot.

Overall, I like the SEC, Big 12, Pac 10, ACC, Big East, and Big 10 in that order this year.
 
CitySting said:
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Are you kidding me? We can spend all night running through our stats and comparing them to others. ACC this year was WEAK.
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I guess that means the Pac10 is strong since they won some bowl games?!?! Just throw out them getting their ass kicked by the Mountain West during the regular season. Get real.

The ACC has a lot of good teams but is just missing that one top-tier team in the nation. It has historically had one or two, and will have one or two (and maybe more) within the next couple of years. The ACC is the 2nd or 3rd best conference in football this year.

There is no denying we've had a crappy bowl run though and we will undoubtedly be perceived as worse than we are.
 
So, would the ACC be a "good" conference if they went 6-4 in bowl games instead of 4-6? That would mean the perception of 12 teams would hinge on the outcome of two close games.

Bowl games are a mixed bag of good and not-so-good matchups. For example, one of the ACC worse teams, Miami, played one of the better teams from the PAC-10, Cal. Clemson, a team left for dead with a few weeks to go in the season, played one of the ACC's two New Years Day bowls.

After it's all said and done, the ACC will probably still come out as one of the better conferences according to Sagarin or the other computers. There's no true MNC contender yet from the ACC, but a number of middle-of-the-road teams.
 
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