I know it's early but...

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Dodd and Geetee neither of you obviously has a clue about recruiting or what is going on with the program. If took the time to attend any of the functions when Giff or Geoff is speaking or attend practices then you might have a different view of what is going on with the program. Of course if you continually have your head head buried in the sand that will never happen.
 
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In this case, Panther, I have to disagree. Whether GeeTee or Dodd know anything about what's going on with recruiting has nothing to do with it. We continue to run a program that is, as every year goes by with the current HC, getting stuck deeper and deeper in mediocrity. When this recruiting season is over, we'll see where we stand compared to the top football programs in the country, and if it's any different than the last couple of years, I'll be surprised...happy about it, but surprised nonetheless.
 
Would you liked to have

Carlos Thomas on this team?? I would - he played a LOT for SC and could have helped us as well.

Carlos wanted to play for Gailey and Tech. His bro, Levon, played for Tech. Gailey's staff extended a scholly.

Then the Hill told him to forget it!! One day before his official visit!!

That's the kind of crap we're dealing with - and that's only ONE example.

Gailey obviously saw a need to shore up our recruiting efforts so he blew out Wilson and brought in Collins.

Obviously we're on a BUNCH more kids now than we have been before. BUT, it will take a "change of direction", meaning the Hill giving the coaches more leeway, with regard to FB recruiting if we're gonna land more athletes to help us win.
 
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You can crunch the number all you want, but all one has to do to see how we are doing in recruiting is to take a look the top recruits from Ga, or even the southeast and see where they went, I'll give you a clue, GT isn't one of them!
Besides, look what happenned to the last stud to come to tech (calvin Johnson) and how he has been under-utilized, you think top recruits look at what we have done with him and want to come play for Gailey's anything but explosive offense? Ha! I almost wish he would've gone to UGA just so I could see what he is really capable of.

And why can't we/haven't we recruited a truly solid div. 1 qb? I'm not talking about a 4 star guy, but at least one that can hit a 6'4'' moving target in stride?!
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MaconFan, Uhhhh, why don't you go root for the pups, since you love them so much. "Almost?" Do you need a nudge?
 
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"I almost wish he would've gone to UGA just so I could see what he is really capable of."
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I thought we were talking about this year's recruiting? If you want to bitch about last year why not check the archives and read to your heart's content. What's done is done. The question is whether we've learned anything and whether we improve. Gailey has made changes, although I don't know why it's taken this long for him to figure out that a different approach was needed. Now we'll see if that works better. As to the comments about the Hill, they are valid and would be hurting O'Leary's recruiting efforts were he still here. It's been documented here in the past (again, check the archives if you care to) that a number of George's recruits wouldn't pass muster with the Hill now. DSmith has been mentioned, you can bet Kelly Campbell wouldn't and Joe Burns would be another guess at someone who might not have been admittted. Those are pure guesses and I could easily be wrong about any of them. But the point is George could get kids in with an 800+ and good HS grades if he wanted them. Gailey can't.
 
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I happen to have been watching this program, my alma mater, for almost 40 years now. I see what's going on and my head is not in the sand. We are not competing with the top D1 schools for a vast majority of our athletes. It's patently obvious.
 
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One question LongforDodd. Do you suscribe to any of the recruiting services and do you know who the kids we signed last year were also offered by/considered? I would agree that we have several each year who aren't being pursued by top programs. But when you say vast majority you're exaggerating. Almost every kid we signed last year had other D-1 offers. Whether you consider particular schools top programs or not may be where we differ. I consider schools in the BCS conferences major programs (except for Duke, Wake, Vandy and the like). But kids who were considering schools like Texas A&M, South Carolina, etc. are D-1 prospects.

Are we recruiting lke ugag? No. (of course I can't remember when we ever have). Can we improve? Yes, and some of the suggestions made in this thread would help immensely. Has Chan been behind the curve so far in his program? Yes, in my opinion. He's made some good moves this year but there's no excuse for it to have taken so long. Do we pay too much attention to recruiting services and the like? Definitely. People get excited one way or the other about how classes rank. Well, we demonstrated last year that if we had been able to sign a full class and those players had been ranked exactly the same as the players we did sign individually, our class would have improved by something like 20 spots. That speaks to the mathematical model used by one of the services. What that says is that our 50th ranked class (or whatever it ended up being) actually had athletes equal to the 30th ranked class, we just didn't sign as many because we didn't have thta many spots open.

My main message is that we need to watch what happens on the field and not worry so much about who ranks who how high. They really don't know and, as Steve Spurrier used to say, nobody gets any trophies for recruiting. If Chan doesn't break out of this 7 win rut I think Dan R will fire him. Maybe not next year but before too long. But if he does win more, our recruits will suddenly look better than they do now.
 
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What that says is that our 50th ranked class (or whatever it ended up being) actually had athletes equal to the 30th ranked class, we just didn't sign as many because we didn't have thta many spots open.


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I don't disagree, but if I recall correctly, our decreased allotment of schollies wasn't even completely filled. Why was that?
 
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I don't disagree, but if I recall correctly, our decreased allotment of schollies wasn't even completely filled. Why was that?

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Defections:

Heath Batchelor (Which probably should've been filled) switched to S. Carolina & Ricardo Mathews switched to Cincy.
 
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I haven't looked at that in a while but IIRC we were only one or maybe two at the most short. While I'd prefer we used them, it's not like we're sitting on 5 or 6 spots.
 
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when you're already given a decreased allotment due to probation, filling up that class with quality athletes becomes even more important.
 
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OR instead of going to listen to coaches talk, or attending practices, maybe we can just form an opinion by what happens on the field vs our opponents.

That, it seems to me, is the best way to judge it. Assuming of course your goal is to try and win the game on Saturdays.
 
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I agree and they had actually given out all the scholarships until we had two players back out. The problem was they didn't have a backup plan or at least didn't have one that they felt was worth using the scholarships on. I agree that our recruiting philosophy has been weak under Gailey and hope that has improved with our new coaches. We are limited in who we can offer and the Hill puts too many roadblocks in the way, but I think Gailey has been too passive in how he's reacted to that. It shouldn't have taken him this long to change tactics.
 
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stop the presses! ncjacket and I are in agreement on something! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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I agree that our recruiting philosophy has been weak under Gailey and hope that has improved with our new coaches.

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This has been my biggest complaint about Gailey. I don't question his coaching ability but the problems we have had are due to a lack of the blue-chippers. I'm crossing my fingers as far as the changes that have been made.
 
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See what that open mind will get you? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/greenclap.gif

Seriously. Not everything is good with our program, but not everything is bad and not everything has one source/reason.
 
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I don't subscribe to recruiting services but I do see who these athletes are "considering". "Considering" is a code word for "this athlete has at least been sent a letter of interest by this school and that school" and in no way does it mean he's a stud who would be starting for a Top D1 school. I know, I had a few of those letters in my desk drawer as an 18 year old.

My point is, again, (and I'll try to make it simple) we don't seem to be in competition with top D1 programs for most of our athletes. With just a decent, consistent showing - week in and week out - we could have a bunch of top kids interested. We are GT, after all!!

But what kind of stud would be interested in what Chan Gailey's got going these days?

I'll give you the last word.
 
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I'll give you the last word.

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Calvin.
 
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