I think I'm against a football playoff now...

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I think I\'m against a football playoff now...

I was strongly in favor of a playoff system in college football. Now I’m not so sure. I feel instead of possibly arguing over an undefeated team (or one of several one-loss teams if there are no undefeated teams) not playing in the championship game, multiple other arguments would occur instead.

The first argument a playoff may spur is over which teams do not make it into the playoff. Whether it is a four, six, or eight team playoff (12 or 16 would probably add too many games) you still have to exclude that next team. In fact, it is even more likely the team excluded from a playoff would have the same number of losses as the lowest ranked team that got in. For example, this year, many polls (including the BCS) have Ohio State with 2 losses at #4, while Oregon with 1 loss is at #5. #6 through #9 in the BCS poll all have 2 losses. On the other hand, this year the only two undefeated teams are playign eachother.

While you can try to point to the quality of some of those losses (or wins) compared to the others, their merits are all very much in the eye of the beholder. Further, none of that even touches scenarios where a team with a lower ranking–because of perceived strength of schedules or the lone loss was near the end of a season or the margin of each team’s loss(es)–has one loss whereas a team that makes the playoff has two.

Once the arguing of who makes it into the playoff is finished, what if a 2-loss team gets lucky and wins it all? We could have a 2-loss national champion over one or two 1-loss teams after the playoff. While those teams will have settled it on the field, people may still be wondering, “Did the best team really win it all?”

In the end, Division 1-A college football has the largest ratio of teams and attention and money to actual games played for very many people to be happy regardless of how a champion is chosen. As much as I can’t believe I’m saying it, perhaps the tradition of the bowls is best. Perhaps we should even regress them somewhat to allow the bowls more freedom in choosing teams instead of being forced to match up Conference C #x vs. Conference D #y. (As long as they can’t choose teams until after the regular season’s games are complete.) This would allow them to adapt more freely to changes in conference alignments, changes in how many teams qualify for bowls, and fan support.

Does that sway anyone? Anyone see a monkey-wrench in my monkey-wrenches?
 
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I could not agree more. The BCS is working. We have had several games that were clearly the matchup between the two most deserving teams. This year's game between #1 and #2, the only major unbeatens, with 2 Heismann winners and the top 3 players of the year on the same field - I believe it is the best college football game of all time, better than Oklahoma-Nebraska with Johnny Rodgers, and surely better than any old 10-10 tie. (Although I truthfully call all our wins over the evil Dawgs the greatest games of all time.)

The worst scenario occurs when an Auburn, unbeaten and in a major conference, gets left out. But, how often will that happen? And, the debate about Auburn is not bad for college football. Actually, the arguments for them and their unbeaten season may be more enjoyable than actually playing the Trojans in the '04 season would have been.

I love basketball and March madness. It fits the sport. No, every game is not important. No, even conference championship games are not crucial. Several national champions were not their conference champions. Were teams like NC State or Villanova the best teams the year they won? No, but they were the best in the tournament.

Let's keep football a sport where every week in an 11 or now 12 game season is crucial. Let good teams go to a bowl. Let very good teams match up in BCS games. Let the two best, or at least two of the best, hook up for the national championship. Most years we will have a true champion. In other years we will have a spirited debate.
 
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I'm with you but I still believe that it would be easy to just add another game if there were three or four teams.

Let #3 and #4 play each other first and if there is an undefeated winner, let them play the #1 v #2 winner (at their preferred field).

I don't need a 16 team playoff, but I would like to get more of the politics out of the equation.
 
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If you're going to do it that way, shouldn't it be 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 in order to ultimately set up the 1 vs 2?
 
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never have been a fan of the playoff. The Bowl system is a beautiful thing (even if its become a corporate whore), it makes college football unique, and it gives a chance for controversy, multiple teams with a score to settle, etc, etc. Makes life fun.
 
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Most years that a problem has arisen is over a third team undefeated with a real schedule, not a fourth. So by expanding the playoff to 4 teams you get into serious debate and politics over who the 4th team should be. Plus every additional game in the playoffs makes the rest of the bowls more obsolete.

So, in an effort to limit the number of games, I suggest that plan. About half the time, the third team loses, so it becomes a moot point and makes the title game a few days later. On the occassion, that a third team does stay undefeated through their bowl game, then let them have their chance. BUT, the game should be played at the #1's convenience, which also takes care of the problem of ticket sales, etc. on short notice. So let #1 decide where to play. They could sell out to Miami and the 2nd Orange Bowl Or just play in Lincoln, for example. This keeps the games to a minimum, knocks out most politics (this will always keep Tech out of the game in the future), doesn't overly hurt the #1 team because they get built in advantages, but allows the undefeated #3 team a chance.
 
Regular Season is the Playoff

With basketball, it is hard to be interested until the last two weeks of the regular season. These games just don't matter a ton right now when all you have to do is get hot at the end of the year and make the Tournament.

In years where you have one or three unbeatens, a four team playoff would be best, but a plus one game could work as well.
 
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With basketball, it is hard to be interested until the last two weeks of the regular season. These games just don't matter a ton right now when all you have to do is get hot at the end of the year and make the Tournament.




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This pretty much sums up my take on college hoops (Do they still have the NBA?).
I am not as serious a BBall fan as many, so I will probably be in the minority on this.
I don't think Bball is a game of luck, but there is a far better chance for upsets compared to football. With that logic, I see the NCAA basketball champion not as the best team in the country, but winner of the biggest tournament of the year, if that makes sense.

Comparing the tournament success in basketball to potential playoff success in football is not apples to applea, imo.
 
WOW, do I disagree!!

I'd much rather have 1 or 2 teams complaining that they weren't the 8th team in a playoff than having what happened to Auburn last year.

You could still have an 8 team playoff AND have the other bowls.

It's what happens on the FIELD that matters. You can argue all day the Georgetown's '85 team was 10 times better than Villanova, but guess what?? 'Nova's the CHAMP!

Who cares if a 2 loss team won the Championship in FB! If they beat the other teams in the playoff, they earned it!

Having some sort of playoff in 1-A football would add 10 times the excitement, IMO.

I've yet to read an argument against a playoff that makes sense to me. Besides the money issue - which can be worked out if the presidents just TRIED - there isn't a good reason why NOT to have a playoff. IMO.
 
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What I like about a playoff is that only the on-field results will matter for the teams in the playoffs. It's refreshing after I follow college football for awhile and then look at the NFL division and wild card races. There, computers, coaches lobbying to change votes, bowl presidents having perceptions about a fan base, and all that other stuff does not matter. Only thing that matters there are the on-field results.

Now, with the number of teams, college will never have that pure of a system, but almost any type of playoff is a lot better than we have now.
 
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