I thought this needed to be crossposted:

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(topic paraphrased: why the hell is RB our QB)

geeteelee said:
Now this is solely my own opinion pieced together over the years with tidbits of info from a wide variety of sources. I sincerely hope that the moderators don't take any of this as an attack on any student athlete...I don't intend it as such and I hope certain items aren't taken that way.

When Chan first arrived, we had what we fans thought were two quality QBs in stock - AJ Suggs and Demarius Bilbo. Suggs beat out Bilbo for the starting job, but after a whole season of starts his Junior year it became obvious he was not going to be the QB we all hoped he would be. He would stare down his primary receiver, made poor decisions all too often and was fairly immobile. During the bowl game against Boise State for the last play of the first half Suggs was instructed to throw a bomb IF the defense was lined up in a certain formation, if not throw it away. The defense was NOT in the specified formation, but Suggs attempted to complete the pass anyway resulting in an interception run back for a TD. AJ never started another game for GT.

Bilbo played sporatically during that season and finished out the bowl game; although it was obvious he was a tremendous athlete, he didn't appear to be much better an option at QB than Suggs, but the job apparently was his to lose. Unfortunately, although Bilbo had a cannon and was fairly accurate, he was reportedly unable or unwilling to learn the playbook and to read defenses. After Bilbo consistantly made mental errors in practice, the coaches decided to start true freshman Ball, for better or worse.

Ball wowed the coaches with his athleticism, evasiveness, and running ability along with being a quick study on the playbook. The coaches decided that with a limited playbook, a good line and coaching to get him to play within himself he could succeed and so he did as a freshman.

Once Ball got a year's worth of experience under his belt, it became very difficult to unseat him as QB. His performances were at times dismal and at times brilliant and no QB who had come in showed consistantly in practice the ability to learn the playbook, to run as well or to throw as well. Yes, some were more accurate, but they couldn't run, or some could make better decisions, but wasn't accurate. Ball just was able, with his accumlating game experience to just hang onto his starting role. I do have to say that ineffective line play during Ball's soph and Jr year didn't help him any.

There was one point, year before last, forgive me because I can't recall the game, where Gailey was ready to burn Bennett's redshirt, but Ball came back and played a good second half. As far as I know, that's the only time Ball came close to being pulled for his performance.

Some of the QBs that were recruited were moved to other positions, notably Landry (now a pro!) and Bilbo. At least one transferred (Carter) and the rest have just not been able to unseat a veteran player.

Now there are those that loudly and vehemently declare that no one could be worse than Ball, but that's far from certain. Ball has won many more games than he's lost, and he's always given it all on the field and in game prep. The coaches are aware of his limitations and attempt to call plays and design game plans around those limitations and have done so with various degrees of success.

Ball has improvement incrementally over the years, but not dramatically and sadly his performance against UGa this year was perhaps the worst of his career. IMO, he was not all that bad in the ACCCG. Yes, a better performance would have won the game, but some more astute playcalling would have as well.

Bottom line, we have had in the past four years a number of QBs with decent, but not outstanding talent. Any one of which probably would have made as good, perhaps better, a QB as Ball, but once Ball had all of that invaluable game time under his belt, none of the other QBs could convincingly demonstrate that they should start over Ball. The coaches know what Ball can do and was unwilling to go with an unknown.

Now, if the coaches would listen to me, they would have given Bennett one or two or three series in every game this past season, but OTOH, there were 3 or four games where that might not have been a good idea. Then again, two or three where it might have helped.

I feel that the coaches got stuck in the situation by chance and circumstances and with flunkgate and scholarship restrictions made a decision to put a higher priority on recruiting offensive line and defense players to build for the future over recruiting a top QB. Fortunately that's now changed. We have in house a QB who's been in the system for 3 years and knows the offense inside and out. Another one who is very talented and was redshirted this past year. We have a transfer QB from Auburn coming in. AND we have two top rated 4/5 star QB recruits on the way, one of whom is enrolling this next semester.
This is as good an explanation as I've seen for why Reggie was, is, and probably will be our starter for the next game. Not saying I like it, but it's at least a coherent and well supported explanation.

btw, the game you're talking about GTL where Bennett's redshirt almost got burned was at NC State 2 years ago, where Reggie had a first half in which he threw 2 completions and 3 pics, and one of the two completions was that sick CJ behind-the-back catch that should by all rights have been an incompletion.

Reports said that Chan was so pissed off his assistants had to literally beg him not to start Bennett. In retrospect, I rather wish he had, just so we'd know whether he should have nor not.
 
If you go by rankings, we don't have anymore talent at QB now than we did when Gailey showed up.

Mark Logan - 3rd Team All-American, AJC Super Southern 100

Demarius Bilbo - Super Prep All-American, #11 QB, USA Today Offensive Player of the Year

Dawan Landry - #24 QB

AJ Suggs - HS All-American, AJC Super Southern 100

Andy Hall - #1 ranked QB in South Carolina, Top 50 QB in the nation

I really think we have serious problems coaching up our QBs. Bennett might be only QB the current staff has had that has improved under their guidance and other than getting bigger and stronger he has not made a big leap. Bilbo never improved. Suggs played worse for us than he did while 2 years younger at Tennessee. Ball was never better than he was when he walked on to campus.

The staff has had enough guys with good pedigrees to produce at least one solid starting QB and they haven't. I am forced to assume that either they have been extraordinarily unlucky or they are not getting the job done.
 
I heard you have to cross dress in order to cross post! Is it true BJ?
:laugher: :laugher: :laugher:
 
mm42 said:
In other words, Chan is loyal to a fault.

As long as your name ain't Suggs.

(or perhaps as long as you follow instructions to throw the ball away against certain defensive formations)
 
GEETEELEE said:
(or perhaps as long as you follow instructions to throw the ball away against certain defensive formations)

Maybe that explains the 400mph rocket that our QB launched at Calvin on that 3rd and goal pass on the first drive! A nice touch pass would have meant 6 points right there, but he chose to throw it so hard I think it was still rising when it hit the stands.
 
GEETEELEE said:
As long as your name ain't Suggs.

(or perhaps as long as you follow instructions to throw the ball away against certain defensive formations)

Bill O'Brien was the OC back then, so he may have made the decisions or at least influenced them.

Imagine if we start one of the freshmen next year and he struggles. We'll be right back here debating whether he is the best we've got or the coaches have no clue.
 
mm42 said:
Bill O'Brien was the OC back then, so he may have made the decisions or at least influenced them.

I do believe that starting Suggs that year was BO'B's decision, not that Chan would have done it differently.

We'll have a full blown knock down drag out QB controversy as soon as the new starter throws an INT....:bump:
 
The bowl game that geeteelee is talking about was not Boise State - it was Fresno State.

Suggs and Bilbo 'each' had 4 INT's that game for a total of 8. Fresno State had 8 or more starters suspended for that game and still abused us. Both Suggs and Bilbo got raw deals at times, but neither of those guys were great options at QB. I appreciate both of them, still.

We did play on Boise State's field the next year when we played and pummelled Tulsa after Boise State 'refused' to play us. That's whay a lot of our fans still don't like Dan Hawkins who is now at Colorado.
 
techfowl said:
The bowl game that geeteelee is talking about was not Boise State - it was Fresno State.

And so it was....

dadblamed brain flatulance....
 
One thing Taylor Bennett has going against him is that the coaching staff will look bad if he starts one way or another.

He will either be:

A. The same or worse than Ball and people will wonder why a guy who has been in the program 3 years isn't better. They will also wonder why we couldn't find someone better than Ball amongst the 7 QBs we will have on the roster or the previous HS All-Americans we had earlier.

B. Play great and people will wonder why he didn't start this year.

I think one of the freshman will start.
 
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pocket_watch said:
..........Looks like a very silly child-man.


:laugher: I've never heard it put that way Pocket. Very good.
 
Me thinks it may go deeper!

I really think Gailey was afraid of pulling RB early in his career, due to the reaction of the team. (But I see a conspiracy behind every rock:laugher: )

I do not believe we (fans) will get on the next QB for poor play if he can complete the wide open passes with some regularity and is a positive influence on the team.

On the play calling, I am not sure how many times a well called play was changed at the Line of Scrimmage. I wish I knew, this could start a new set of discussions.
 
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