Idiotic AJC Article

Well, I don't think paying SAs would work financially, but what's stupid about the article? I thought it was pretty well done, pretty even handed and explored an interesting issue.
 
Well, I don't think paying SAs would work financially, but what's stupid about the article? I thought it was pretty well done, pretty even handed and explored an interesting issue.
Call me irrational, but I just think it's an idiotic thing to discuss. This is a non issue and has been so ever since Colleges started fielding athletic teams centuries ago.
 
The diploma they receive is the best form of payment they could ever imagine.

That's all well and good, but what about those athletes who can't afford to play? Between classes, training, practice and games, there's not much time for a full-time job. I personally believe athletes should be allowed a small salary - and I do mean small - say around $5-10k per year. You might even get more athletes to stay in school and get that diploma they're being "paid." The biggest issue I see is widening the gap between the big universities and the smaller ones.

That said - it'll NEVER happen.
 
I'm not shocked, but the stupidest thing said in that article was actually by Myles Brand. Not terribly surprising considering the man is an irrevocable mouthbreather and douchebag:

"You have to ask yourself why do universities engage in sports?" Brand said. "The answer is because it adds education value to the student experience. It [helps a student-athlete grow] as a person and acquire attitudes and skills that will carry through life."

Somebody has been hanging out with the magical happy elves of candy assed lane again.
 
I'm not shocked, but the stupidest thing said in that article was actually by Myles Brand. Not terribly surprising considering the man is an irrevocable mouthbreather and douchebag:



Somebody has been hanging out with the magical happy elves of candy assed lane again.
It's true, though. If you're thinking they do it for the money, you're wrong. The money isn't used by the University to do research; it all goes back to the AA, so there's no direct value in having a sports program.
 
Call me irrational, but I just think it's an idiotic thing to discuss. This is a non issue and has been so ever since Colleges started fielding athletic teams centuries ago.
Okay, you're irrational. This is a topic that comes up all the time, so it's clearly not a non issue. In fact, SAs on the NCAA's advisory committees bring it up almost every year.
 
This is a non issue and has been so ever since Colleges started fielding athletic teams centuries ago.

This is not true. The entire concept of "amateur athletics" is a rather bizarre artificial construct, and one that is disappearing (rightfully so) in most other arenas (witness the Olympics). Even the ancient Greeks, the supposed model for the Olympics and "amateur" athletics, had no restrictions on prizes or benefits for Olympic athletes and their hometowns typically gave the winners prizes and benefits.

Originally the coaches were not paid, and the same debate occurred when they began to receive salaries and coach as a full time profession. No doubt we should have maintained the purity of "amateur athletics" by keeping the coaches amateurs also.

It doesn't make any sense to me for the coach to be paid $1M+ per year while the players get, say, $10K-$20K in value, but then again the ratio of exec pay to worker pay in corporate America doesn't make much sense to me either.
 
It's true, though. If you're thinking they do it for the money, you're wrong. The money isn't used by the University to do research; it all goes back to the AA, so there's no direct value in having a sports program.

Out of the many naive things you've ever said on here, this might be the worst.
 
Out of the many naive things you've ever said on here, this might be the worst.

Thanks for not providing a counter-argument.

Let me elaborate. Universities don't care about educating student athletes. They only seek to keep them eligible so they can perform athletically. Like I said earlier, there is no direct value to the University in having a sports program. It solely exists to attract students and increase name recognition. Indirectly, this increases their research grant money which is what it is all about.
 
I say we start paying them the day they have to compete with other students academically to get accepted to the school.

Attending a college you have no business being at, and doing so free of charge, is more than enough of a reward.
 
Let me elaborate. Universities don't care about educating student athletes. They only seek to keep them eligible so they can perform athletically. Like I said earlier, there is no direct value to the University in having a sports program. It solely exists to attract students and increase name recognition. Indirectly, this increases their research grant money which is what it is all about.

Exactly, which is not what Myles Brand said at all. He implied that it was because it adds to the "student experience." The only reason they care about adding to the student experience is to increase the student body which increases revenue which increases funding.

My problem with this comment from Brand is that it's yet another in a long stream of BS false altruism that the man dresses his little monopoly up in. Nick Saban isn't making $4 million a year so that the student body has something to do on Saturdays.
 
Isn't there already a few leagues willing to pay free market value to young men to play competitive sports?

Every time I read an article in the AJC, I remember why I don't read articles in the AJC.
 
Exactly, which is not what Myles Brand said at all. He implied that it was because it adds to the "student experience." The only reason they care about adding to the student experience is to increase the student body which increases revenue which increases funding.

My problem with this comment from Brand is that it's yet another in a long stream of BS false altruism that the man dresses his little monopoly up in. Nick Saban isn't making $4 million a year so that the student body has something to do on Saturdays.

Well, I agreed with the first part of his statement, but not the second.
 
For amateur athletes: the players get quite a bit of value. For example, all get: tuition, housing, fees, books, meals, private tutors, access to training facilities, expert trainers, and other "side benefits."

Other players, who may not initially have the talent to go pro get access to coaching that may enable them to turn pro.

Similarly, some players are admitted to better educational institutions than they could otherwise attend. There is a very large benefit to this.

That being said, I think that was a fair bargain a few years ago. However, as the leagues make an effort to extract more and more revenue, via "additional games," the BCS, and in the future, playoffs, I think players should be compensated--especially in football and high risk injury sports. One way to do this--is to allow student athletes to benefit from commercial use of their name--in sports games and with apparel makers (where the value extends from non-NCAA talents).

I don't follow the argument as to why non-revenue sports should be paid. But I'm sure the NCAA will try to establish a market where none exists. Numerous students struggle to go through college and as state above, I think benefits currently received adequately benefit regular athletes.

Similarly, I think coaches benefit from a field that greatly restricts entry. Most coaches come up through the ranks--they play hs ball, play college ball, maybe nfl--before they can enter the college coaching ranks. Coach Johnson is an exception. He is the first coach at GT not to claim to have played college ball. But query--O'leary said he played ball, Curry played ball (pro), Gailey played ball (pro), Bobby Ross (college), B*** L***** (college), Bill Fulcher (pro) Bud Carson (college), Pepper Rodgers (college), Bobby Dodd (college), Alexander (college), Heisman (College).

There are potentially a number of individuals who strong leaders and intelligent enough to coach a team. Few of those possess the physical ability to play college ball. Further, many players with great ability may miss out on key coaching development years by playing extended careers in the pros. Further, the benefits of a lucrative career after graduating may draw many other players away from the coaching ranks (given how few make HC and how little they are paid at first combined with 0 job stability).

As a result, the pool for coaching candidates is limited, even for the specific intellectual and leadership skill set required, and they can demand a large salary.

Players are not in a similar position at the collegiate level because there skills are for the most part undeveloped and any future ability is somewhat speculative.

That said: I wish the NFL would set up its own minor league. As college football begins to resemble it's sister professional league more than any other sport, I think the justification for keeping it as is becomes weaker as a matter of equity.
 
That said: I wish the NFL would set up its own minor league.

This. and NBA too for that matter, or at least getting rid of the stupid 1 year our of HS rule or 19 rule that yearly reams the college game.
 
The more I ponder this, the more I can't figure out the answer to this question. What exactly is the reason AA's cannot just out-and-out write a check to student-athletes?

As far as I can tell, the NCAA ideal is a student-athlete who puts school ahead of any other benefit of playing a sport. Yet schools very much do compete in extracurricular benefits. Instead of writing checks directly, AAs compete in indirect compensation of insane athletic facilities and coaching salaries.

A lot of parallels exist between this argument and the argument in the 70's over abolishing the draft. Generals strongly opposed abolishing the draft because of the ambiguous feeling of hiring "mercenaries." The NCAA has similarly ambiguous feeling today that paying athletes who attend school is somehow innately wrong. So we instead have all these insane recruiting shenanigans instead of treating signing SAs as the transaction that it is.

This is quite different from the view I had on this subject a few years ago, but I believe now this is the most realistic view.
 
Well, a couple of basic reasons as I see it. 1) assumed amateurism, 2) the chaos of basic free agency for high school athletes, 3) the cost. With all the money being thrown around, major college AAs don't all make money. Imagine the situation if Tech could only afford $10,00 per year for football players and ugag pays $25,000?
 
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