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Mind of our fan base and kindof State Of The Program too. Petty much same ole, same ole...academics keeps us from taking program to the next level and as I've said before, HOGWASH!! If Ross, O'Leary, and Fridge can win then that says one thing to me, certain coaches attract kids regardless of what school they coach at AND coach them up. You get that combo at GT and we will WIN, PERIOD! That's why I've been so ticked at some of our hires for the last 40 years. Starting with Dodd's retirement in 66, with the great and RECENT tradition we had at that time, there is no excuse in 40 years of apathy. I don't give a rats hind about things changing like academics and integration, Ross and O'Leary showed you can throw that excuse out the window. The only mulligan I can give the Hill is the hire of Bill Lewis. At the time that seemed to be a great hire, he won at East Carolina, had a great resume, and on the outside seeemed to be a classy guy. The other hires since 66, well I've scratched my head several times. It seemed like well, since ole Frank Broyles won't come home we'll just hire any ole body. Have to admit I blame Dodd a little for that. Well enough ramblin, we'll know soon enough bout ole Chan. I already know one thing, in 5 years he hasn't recruited anybody that can beat Reggie out at QB, now that is scary. I really think if Reggie could have been moved to flanker/wing his junior year, he would have been another Charlie Rogers. Remember that reverse we ran to Calvin in the bowl 2 years ago where he dinged up his leg and we all about fainted, Reggie would have been great with that play. Well so much for could've, should've, would've.
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I get so tired of posts like yours. People like you either:

Believe that we don't have higher academic standards and we can recruit the same players as UGa, FSU, Clemson, VT and on and on, or

You understand that we can't recruit the same atheltes as our competition, but believe that by some magic, we can beat them consistently.

One word for that kind of thinking: delusional. There is no reason to try to reason with delusional thinking, so there is no purpose addressing your post on a point by point basis.

But, by the way, neither Ross nor O'Leary operated under current academic standards, and neither won consistently, but both headed to what they beleived were greener pastures while they were on top. What does that tell you?
 
There is no excuse for not being able to win consistently. NONE!!! There are plenty of high quality players that can make it in both acedemics and athletics. I get tired of hearing half ass fans /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif making up excuses as to why we will always be mediocre /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puke.gif.It just makes me sick!
 
Your right Jacketup, we're really on a roll these last couple years. Man if the good lord will PLEASE give us another season like the last few I'll be in high heaven. I mean really people, just cause that "magic" is happening at Notre Dame doesn't mean we should expect the same.
 
Jacketup, We Just Agree To Disagree...

Believe it or not, there are football players out there that can make good grades too. Now, which schools will they go to? The schools that have a dynamic coach whose players execute and play exciting football? Or a lame duck coach whose players make screwing up an art form? So go tell that whining excuse of academics to someone who cares! I guarantee you, there are quite a few high school players out there today who would come play for a modern day Dodd and can make the grades at Tech. But if I'm one of those high school players and I get excited over the way Tech played against AUB & Miami, then I see our offense play like they did against NCST, UVA, VT, UGA, & oh my gosh, UTAH, well I just don't know. Your right, a lot of players cannot come play for Tech, which means we have to have the kind of coach that can get those that can to COME TO TECH!! You think Green, Shockley, or Pollack could have passed at Tech? I THINK SO!! There's three right there!
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half ass fans

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I assume that's anyone who doesn't agree with you?

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making up excuses

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I assume that's anything that attempts to explain any difference about Tech versus the football factories?

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It just makes me sick!

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It must be so tough for you!


Tech is different from 90% of the schools that compete in D1 football. Our admissions standards are different than most, our academic mission is pretty unique, and our tradition of flunking out any student, not just SAs is unique as well. The limited curriculum hurts when recruiting kids who actually do care about their degree, as they want to study what they're interested in. All that said, there is no reason for Tech to accept poor performance. But Ross left because of the kind of school Tech is. O'Leary left for his dream job, but he would have gotten us in even worse trouble had he stayed given the type of recruits some of those he brought in were, or he would have left anyway because he would not have accepted our new standards.

You might also want to review your logic. You say there's no reason we shouldn't win consistently and then use Ross and O'Leary as your examples. Ross took a team that had won 14 games the two years combined and quickly took us to the bottom of the conference. O'Leay won as long as Fridge was here. Both had their ups and downs. You may want to reconsider what you think consistent is.
 
NCJacket, What Was Our Record With Fridge...

as OC under O'Leary? Now add Tenuta to that staff and we would have challenged for a Nat'l Title a couple of times. I'm not saying we would not ever have rebuilding years, but I think kids would be attracted to Tech with the right guy. I actually think Gailey could be a good figure head type of head coach if he would hire good assistants like Tenuta on the offensive side of the ball and turn the reins over to them. Sure we'd have some 6-5's and 7-4's, but every now and then you should have those special teams where everything comes together and the team chemistry is there and go 9-2 or better. I admit, Gailey has had some bad luck like flunkgate but some of his hires as asst coaches are terrible, and then there are those games like Utah, VT, Fresno ST, and 51-7 to name a few. I just don't know if I would have given hime a five year deal yet. If he was threating to go, I would have offered him a two year deal with a guaranteed extension if certain goals were achieved. I wonder if our new AD was 100% behind that decision or was it Clough who can't even spell football.
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There is no excuse for not being able to win consistently.

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BINGO!
 
Re: NCJacket, What Was Our Record With Fridge...

On Gailey's contract, I think it was Braine all the way. First, you can't let a coach enter his last year. It sends the message to everyone, opposing teams, recruits, current players, that he's on the way out. So we either had to fire him last year or extend IMO. Whether we needed to give him 5 more years or not is a good question, but the extension was something we had to do. I doubt he was threatening anything.

To Braine's credit, he didn't make a change and saddle a new AD with a completetly new coach. I'm sure this year Rad will take a careful look at everything surrounding the football program and decide if Chan's his guy.

Your O'Leary, Fridge, Tenuta scenario is interesting but also impossible. Fridge was already gone for one thing. George and Fridge did a great job while together. But I sincerely believe O'Leary would have left if we had instituted our new academic requirements. I don't think he would be willing to deal with the Hill actually turning down someone he wanted to recruit.
 
NC your right maybe we cant compete with the powerhouses, just look what happened when we played Auburn & Miami last year. But wait, look what we did when we played NCST, Utah, VT, & UVA. So I guess your right, I need to review what my idea of consistent is. True fans think we are going to when every game any other fan who thinks we can't compete is a half ass fan, in my opinion. And it is tough watching the team I love go 7-6 every year when we should win at least 2-3 more games a year.
 
Re: NCJacket, What Was Our Record With Fridge...

We can win with the current admissions standards but it is much more difficult to recruit than it could be. I was talking to a GT head coach (in a non revenue sport) last month. He said that he had 3 top recruits, last year, that were told they had to make 1100's on the SAT to gain admission. The three made 1050, 1070, and 1080. All were told to take the SAT again. All had verbally said they would come to Tech and were some of the top recruits in the nation.

All said to heck with it and one went to UNC and one went to Illinois. Both top 15 teams. I forget where he said the third went.

Yes Tech can win at the highest levels but darn the Hill makes it tough...
 
Jacketup,how do you know that Ross and O'Leary operated under different rules? You seem to insinuate that poor Chan has had his back against the wall,his whole tenure here.I maintain that he put himself largely in that position.Also,I think most of us realize that we'll never get the same kids that UGA,TENN.,etc.get.All that means to me is that the coaching has to be better than average,and to date,it ain't been.Ross and O'Leary,both proved they could win with lesser talent,you can look it up,because they both could COACH!
 
well at the risk of raising the PC issue....

I don't believe that we are looking for or wooing the athletes who fit our academic rigor. If we were, then we would look more like Air Force, Notre Dame, Stanford and Northwestern, i.e. more white athletes and more academically-oriented black athletes. We seem to be recruiting the same athletes that FSU, Clemson, UGag, and Auburn want and we get the dregs of this group each year.

Still another "pro" coaching bias where you get the best athletes available instead of the athletes who can hack it academically and then build a offensive and defensive scheme that utilizes their abilities.

and don't get me started again about our poor use of walk-ons. Yes I know that PJ was a walk-on who became a starter but we should be HIGHLY receptive to walk-ons instead of luke warm to them.
 
I have no idea what you're talking about gt_luver, are you sure you're responding to my post?

Show me where I said we couldn't compete? Show me where I said we were consistent now. My point is Tech hasn't been consistent since the 60s. Not under O'Leary, not under Ross and certainly not under Gailey.

I expect us to win every game we play. So you can take your half ass and do what you want with it.
 
Re: well at the risk of raising the PC issue....

So, explain to me our poor use of walk-ons. Also, only white athletes can make it at Tech?
 
Re: well at the risk of raising the PC issue....

where did I say that only white athletes can make it at Tech? I'm talking about SAT's and GPA. Who makes it and who doesn't. If we need statistically higher SATs/GPAs then which students would that indicate? Just the facts my man.

Re walk-ons, Tech should help any legitimate athlete that wants to walk-on get into school and have a chance to make it on the field. I can tell you from personal experience that they don't.
 
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O'Leay won as long as Fridge was here.

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I don't really understand how this help your 'we can't win here argument'?

i get so sick of this argument. The funny part is how it is always the 'positive' posters who are constantly defending our coaches who use it. So it's 'bashing' to say that we can't win wiht Gailey's crappy offense but it's perfectly fine to say that we can't win cause of the program - REGARDLESS of he coach. Yea, that's a realy positive outlook there.

We may NOT be able to win with the new requirements but we certainly could wiht the ones that O'Leary and rest worked with. And if we can't win with the new standards, we need to be doing everything we can to get them changed - writting letters, withholding money, etc....
 
I failed to mention that the other option is the "jock" major... which I think its time for... for the crappy NCAA rules now you have to fight fire with fire.
 
Who said we can't win?

The new standards are the Hill's attempt to make sure we maintain the required progress towards graduation that the NCAA now mandates. Whether we could do that with lowered standards is anybody's guess at this point. I personally think they should let the coaches take more chances and hold them accountable. You can't on one hand tell someone they can't bring in athletes and on the other fire them if they lose. It's their job on the line either way, so I think we have to give them more leeway and make sure the kids have all the support they need.
 
If you aren't aware of the changes in academic standards for athletes at Tech since O'Leary left you haven't been paying attention.
 
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