Discussion in 'Basketball' started by helluvaparamedic, Feb 13, 2019.
Tech basketball post C.T.O.
Yes. What an awful thread.
I voted they both suck, but I feel bad about it.
I'm sorry, who are these people?
CJP has got to get some players in the program. The lack of recruiting success is the most startling thing to me .
He just said that we are close, and that we are going to break through THIS year! I think there are 6 regular season games left.
We shall see.
That is what I was thinking, we can keep flipping coaches until the end of time but we need a few great recruits. That dog öööö Georgia program got a five star. They play in a glorified ööööing barn.
This isn't football, one or two could change the trajectory entirely.
Josh brought nice energy to the program and he has an assistant coach who does a nice job coaching big men. The NIT run in year one was better than any moments in the Gregory regime. But, the unfortunate Arizona trip turned things around. His recruiting is a clear F for an ACC program. The energy is gone. The kids seemed to really enjoy playing together in that first year. That joy is now long gone. I just don’t see it changing.
I still believe the overall decline in our program since the mid eighties through the nineties is due primarily to conference expansion. When there were eight or nine teams in the ACC and there was a certain number of great players who wanted to play in the league, we were a nationally significant program. Every ACC team was, although we were ahead of Wake, Clemson, FSU, State and UVA for most of that period. Now we have added six schools, three of them with excellent basketball traditions. The hill is steeper to climb.
But, a good coach who works hard at recruiting and player development should have us like Virginia Tech, FSU, State, Miami, BC, Clemson - some down years, but some good years with NCAA teams. Gregory and Pastner have failed to compete at that level. UVA shows that with right hire you can go from the bottom to the top in a few seasons. But, you have to show early momentum with a new program. I believe that window for momentum has closed for Josh.
Geez. Pastner is better and it isn’t even close. He’s gonna pull a couple great players in soon.
hahaha keep telling yourself that
I don't like being mean but the word "suck" is appropriate here because Pastner was an absolutely "SUCKER" for letting Bell be involved with the program in any way. That was obviously a bad idea and affected the team through suspensions as well as recruiting efforts. I have little sympathy for this transgression - sorry. Goofy is as goofy does.
I can appreciate the sentiment that it possibly showed a lack of judgment, but we don’t really know all the facts.
It appears Bell is a compulsive liar, and a pretty good one at that. I can certainly understand Pastner thinking he got Bell through a rough spot and that Bell was otherwise a good guy.
Looking at it through the lens of virtue is just as important as looking at it through the lens of cynical. Hindsight is 20/20. We’ve all had business/friends/social relationships that have turned sour, and only after the fact did we realize it probably wasn’t good to be in a relationship with that person at all. Seriously, how many folks do you know that are in a bad marriage? Does it show lapse of judgment? Maybe. Should they be fired for it? Probably not.
I try to keep an open mind .. but isn't CJP saying it's a 5 year plan? Then last week he said "we are one stud away." To me that does not jive.
He’s always energetic and positive. At the same time, we aren’t winning and the reasons have to be explained. The fact is: we are one or two players away from being a really good team. We need to give him the time to try and get them.
Seems reasonable to me. We seem to have a decent base with good defense but we dont have the superstar go to guy that makes a slight loss a slight win. Its not like these top 25 NCAA bound teams are blowing us out weekinweekout.
I don't have a problem with being patient .. give him 2 more years and see what happens. He wasn't my favorite hire but that does not mean he's a bad hire.
Agreed. I like him, but he’s gotta get some big time players in, and he knows that. I do think he’s built some depth. He just really wishes he had landed one or two of those high ranked recruits and we all do too.
Tony Bennett won 21 ACC games in his first three years and Pastner is at 17 with 6 games left to play. with 3 of those games with teams with the same amount of wins that we have. 6 of our 9 losses are against teams currently in the Top 25. There is not a lot of difference on where we are today vs. UVA in Bennett's third season.
How much time (ignoring the reality of his contract for a moment)? By year 3, you can turnaround a bball program (see UVA, VT recently, and even Ugag has enthusiasm for the immediate future). Outside of some (fortunate) transfers, he hasn't been able to bring in anyone that can propel the team into the upper half of the conference. I'm curious as to what you think he or his staff will do that they have failed to do thus far. I admittedly don't follow recruiting that closely, so let me know so I can share your optimism.
At this point, I think that he is only here next season (and likely the one after) due to the horrific contract situation left from the previous 2 AD's with the Hewitt/Gregory buyouts.
You sure about that?
I agree wholeheartedly with what you say, especially the 3 year turnaround statement. The reason we've been brainwashed by the "5 year" plan talk is due to the financial limitations that have been imposed on the basketball program due to mismanagement of contract terms on our part. On top of that, availability of prospective coaching candidates were very limited IIRC. If the end of the "5 year plan" doesn't have a greater than above average positive stamp on it, it'll be time to cut ties and go find a basketball coach.