Is the Coastal the worst division in P5?

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I have been reading a few stories, discussing how terrible the ACC Coastal is, from top to bottom. I would argue this. I believe there are other divisions. in other conferences, that are just as bad. The Big 10 West, to me, isn't that great. The PAC-10 South, I think, will not be overly great, this year. Even with USC getting a boost. I think USC will do good, because the rest of the division is bad. So, why the hate? Why does the Coastal get the negative views, from the media? Don't get me wrong. I am not saying the Coastal is great. However; I am not too sure we are the worst division in the P5. Am I far off, on this?
 
I don’t think you are paying attention. There is a narrative being played out which involves the ACC sucking. The writers are just doing their part.

Nothing is left to chance in the battle for the public perception of the conference pecking order.
 
I love ACC football, and I hope the conference stays together and ends up adding some teams. The haters and the media can toss off. And Pittsburgh, as much as I hate them, has at least kept the coastal somewhat respectable in terms of play.
 
Jmonty71 said:
I have been reading a few stories, discussing how terrible the ACC Coastal is, from top to bottom. I would argue this. I believe there are other divisions. in other conferences, that are just as bad. The Big 10 West, to me, isn't that great. The PAC-10 South, I think, will not be overly great, this year. Even with USC getting a boost. I think USC will do good, because the rest of the division is bad. So, why the hate? Why does the Coastal get the negative views, from the media? Don't get me wrong. I am not saying the Coastal is great. However; I am not too sure we are the worst division in the P5. Am I far off, on this?
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P12 South has 3 solid teams in Utah who is a CFP contender, USC a 9-10 win team and UCLA an 8-9 win team. Arizona State is the wild card. But they should still win 7 games. Colorado and Arizona won’t be very good.

B1G West is much better than the ACC Coastal. Iowa, Wisconsin and Minnesota alone could probably win the Coastal division. Nebraska should be an 8-9 win team with the talent influx, but Saturday vs NW will be the true showing of Frost and NU. For as bad as NU has been, they set a record with the amount of losses by 1 score or less.

The problem with the Coastal division has to do with a multitude of problems. Miami and VT are the perceived “brands” nationally, and both are in a rebuilding year with a new HC. While Miami should win 8 games, VT is probably a 6-6 team. Pitt is the reigning division champ, and should probably win it again this year, but with what record? 9-3, 8-4? UNC is probably a 7-5 or 8-4 max team. No doubt Brown has recruited, but they have no proven QB and a lot to prove on D.

That leaves the remaining 3 of UVA, GT and Duke. UVA lost a boat load to the portal, but has Armstrong back. We all know GT is a ?? based on offseason changes. Duke is in a rebuilding year with the coaching change. On paper UVA is the only team with a chance at 6 wins. Most people (including people on here) don’t think GT and Duke combined will hit 6 wins.

Perception is reality. The ACC is a crappy football conference. #5 out of 5. With that said, the ACC is getting a lot of pub for the QB depth in the league.
 
for reference we can look at Sagarins power rankings
i like the simple average and the others may be slightly different

SEC-WEST 84.17 ( 1)
BIG 12 79.77 ( 2)
PAC-12 NORTH 77.49 ( 3)
BIG TEN-E 77.06 ( 4)
SEC-EAST 76.95 ( 5)
ACC-ATL 76.90 ( 6)
PAC-12 SOUTH 76.74 ( 7)
BIG TEN-W 75.16 ( 8)
ACC-COA 72.78 ( 9)

College Football conference ratings 2022-23 - Jeff Sagarin Ratings

sagarin.usatoday.com sagarin.usatoday.com
 
No, we are not the worst. But to prove it, Tech has to play well and beat some teams like Ole Miss and UCF. In fact, I've repeatedly pointed out that the ACC goes as GT goes. I hope the other presidents of the league are jumping on our president's neck and pushing him some!
 
midatlantech said:
No, we are not the worst. But to prove it, Tech has to play well and beat some teams like Ole Miss and UCF. In fact, I've repeatedly pointed out that the ACC goes as GT goes. I hope the other presidents of the league are jumping on our president's neck and pushing him some!
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The ACC on a national level goes as far as the “brands” go. Those are Clemson, FSU, Miami and VT. Whether right or wrong, FSU, Miami and VT are viewed as the football powers outside of Clemson. Living in different parts of the country you find that out rather quickly.

Right now the ACC is Clemson, Pitt, NCSU and Wake. The lack of attendance at Pitt, and the fact that Wake is so small are reasons point to on why the ACC is not taken seriously.

Even when Johnson had GT at high levels in 2009, 2014 and 2016, no one took GT seriously from a national media standpoint not named Herbstreit. Mainly because of the offense. I know it’s stupid, but until the MSU O.B. win, the failure in big bowl games (LSU, Iowa) is all people focused on. Look at the final rankings in 2016. GT finished UR at 9-4, while UF, LSU finished in the top 15. Miami, Louisville in #20-25, and Auburn at #22 at 8-5.

Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t think the ACC goes as far as GT goes. The ACC goes as far as the programs not named Clemson go as a whole. They need the OOC wins. FSU vs LSU, Miami vs TAMU, Pitt vs. UTjr, GT vs Ole Miss, FSU vs UF, UofL vs UK.
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
The ACC on a national level goes as far as the “brands” go. Those are Clemson, FSU, Miami and VT. Whether right or wrong, FSU, Miami and VT are viewed as the football powers outside of Clemson. Living in different parts of the country you find that out rather quickly.
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Brands can be created quickly. It takes a generation or two of suck to make them go away. Miami is on the verge of going away. Virginia Tech too. That's why they need nearly instant success right now. Clemson was not a brand ten years ago, but they will remain one for a while now. I think GT has a path to becoming a brand again. Easier than many schools based on history that they never had. The key to it is the coach and AD. That's it 100%. Unfortunately...
 
FightOn!Jacket said:
The ACC on a national level goes as far as the “brands” go. Those are Clemson, FSU, Miami and VT. Whether right or wrong, FSU, Miami and VT are viewed as the football powers outside of Clemson. Living in different parts of the country you find that out rather quickly.

Right now the ACC is Clemson, Pitt, NCSU and Wake. The lack of attendance at Pitt, and the fact that Wake is so small are reasons point to on why the ACC is not taken seriously.

Even when Johnson had GT at high levels in 2009, 2014 and 2016, no one took GT seriously from a national media standpoint not named Herbstreit. Mainly because of the offense. I know it’s stupid, but until the MSU O.B. win, the failure in big bowl games (LSU, Iowa) is all people focused on. Look at the final rankings in 2016. GT finished UR at 9-4, while UF, LSU finished in the top 15. Miami, Louisville in #20-25, and Auburn at #22 at 8-5.

Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t think the ACC goes as far as GT goes. The ACC goes as far as the programs not named Clemson go as a whole. They need the OOC wins. FSU vs LSU, Miami vs TAMU, Pitt vs. UTjr, GT vs Ole Miss, FSU vs UF, UofL vs UK.
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Yes the power players are viewed and talked about more regularly. But when Tech plays well, it turns the balance of power to the ACC and from the SEC. FSU can win 15 times in a row but if Clemson, GT and UL don't pull their weight in their SEC games, it doesn't matter. And Tech plays two SEC games this year. If we don't win, the ACC normally won't have a winning record against the SEC. It rarely happens. Check it out, when GT is down the ACC is down.
 
clapper said:
Brands can be created quickly. It takes a generation or two of suck to make them go away. Miami is on the verge of going away. Virginia Tech too. That's why they need nearly instant success right now. Clemson was not a brand ten years ago, but they will remain one for a while now. I think GT has a path to becoming a brand again. Easier than many schools based on history that they never had. The key to it is the coach and AD. That's it 100%. Unfortunately...
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I don't think Tech fans fully appreciate this. Tech has a far superior reputation in academics and football OUTSIDE of Georgia. If we can turn it around our football reputation can be turned around, just like Miami could. Schools like UVA have had a weak reputation for a very long time. Year after year they lose against OOC. Pitt hasn't won that often OOC either but they have had some good teams. They just won the ACC, they have a chance to build their's up. So do we if we just get back to 7 or 8 wins and then a couple of big years.
 
midatlantech said:
Pitt hasn't won that often OOC either but they have had some good teams. They just won the ACC, they have a chance to build their's up.
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Pitt is an excellent comparison to GT. I don't think folks in the South recognize that. Their pedigree is remarkably similar to GT. Even better in the olden days. When we had Heisman, they had Pop Warner. They won National Championships in 1915, 1916 and 1918. We won in 1917. We won again in 1928. They won in 1929. They won a bunch in the '30s. We had another in '51. Them again in '76. We got '90. Their coaching hires were up and down, but they've had Majors, Sherrill, Wannstedt, Narduzzi when we've been down. We've had Ross, GOL, CPJ when they've been down. Marino, Fitzgerald, Dorsett, Fralic. We've had our share of players to match that. Now we're down and they're up again. Those histories raise a brand when teams can string together some strong years.
 
Jmonty71 said:
I have been reading a few stories, discussing how terrible the ACC Coastal is, from top to bottom. I would argue this. I believe there are other divisions. in other conferences, that are just as bad. The Big 10 West, to me, isn't that great. The PAC-10 South, I think, will not be overly great, this year. Even with USC getting a boost. I think USC will do good, because the rest of the division is bad. So, why the hate? Why does the Coastal get the negative views, from the media? Don't get me wrong. I am not saying the Coastal is great. However; I am not too sure we are the worst division in the P5. Am I far off, on this?
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The fact that one has to spend more than two seconds pondering the question says everything.
 
clapper said:
Brands can be created quickly. It takes a generation or two of suck to make them go away. Miami is on the verge of going away. Virginia Tech too. That's why they need nearly instant success right now. Clemson was not a brand ten years ago, but they will remain one for a while now. I think GT has a path to becoming a brand again. Easier than many schools based on history that they never had. The key to it is the coach and AD. That's it 100%. Unfortunately...
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I agree with this assessment.
 
BuzzinWreck78 said:
for reference we can look at Sagarins power rankings
i like the simple average and the others may be slightly different

SEC-WEST 84.17 ( 1)
BIG 12 79.77 ( 2)
PAC-12 NORTH 77.49 ( 3)
BIG TEN-E 77.06 ( 4)
SEC-EAST 76.95 ( 5)
ACC-ATL 76.90 ( 6)
PAC-12 SOUTH 76.74 ( 7)
BIG TEN-W 75.16 ( 8)
ACC-COA 72.78 ( 9)

College Football conference ratings 2022-23 - Jeff Sagarin Ratings

sagarin.usatoday.com sagarin.usatoday.com
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It is the SECW and then everybody else. The average of 2 through 9 is about 76 with a range of +/- 4.
 
00Burdell said:
I don’t think you are paying attention. There is a narrative being played out which involves the ACC sucking. The writers are just doing their part.

Nothing is left to chance in the battle for the public perception of the conference pecking order.
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In fairness, compare ACC football ratings and game attendance to the SEC and B1G. The writers are doing their part by following the money. ACC schools including GT must do better.

I didn't even realize until today that GT has a higher enrollment than every SEC team north of Atlanta. It's really shocking that support has fallen even as attendance has grown.
 
rocky top buzz said:
In fairness, compare ACC football ratings and game attendance to the SEC and B1G. The writers are doing their part by following the money. ACC schools including GT must do better.

I didn't even realize until today that GT has a higher enrollment than every SEC team north of Atlanta. It's really shocking that support has fallen even as attendance has grown.
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I suspect we also have a much higher proportion of foreign students and out of state students than those schools. Vandy is probably the only one that is even close.
 
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