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  1. BuzzLaw

    BuzzLaw where have all the average people gone

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    There are other programs that are paying players. There’s audio recordings of them talking about it. There aren’t any recordings of GT personnel.

    If our administration is holding Pastner back on paying players, it’s a little crazy to expect him to compete with the schools that are paying.
     
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  2. Dirty Jacket

    Dirty Jacket Something Extraordinairre

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    Why can’t Pastner just ööööing recruit?
     
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  3. BigT

    BigT Confector

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    Probably his over use of, "major rebuild".
     
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    Dirty Jacket Something Extraordinairre

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    This is only year 3 of the major rebuild, conveniently ignoring the most successful year of his tenure was the first with the services of all Gregory players. I’m not calling for Joshs head bc I love the defensive identity of this team under him. But he needs to stop talking about abojt rebuilds and “needing a little luck” to sign the “one stud” we need. He needs to just ööööing do it.
     
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  5. Salter21

    Salter21 Jolly Good Fellow

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    Wish the Gus was here to hop in on this thread
     
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    BrentwoodJacket Flats Noob

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    We need three quality recruits each year with occasional transfers to balance any attrition. We need one of the three to be a stud at least every other year. So far in three recruiting classes, Pastner has a total of one quality recruit and no studs. He has two quality transfers so far in Banks and the USC guard. So to be generous he is getting one quality recruit per class.
     
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    Vespidie Jolly Good Fellow

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    In reality, unless a top tier program is coming off of an NCAA imposed death penalty, the words "major rebuild" should never be mentioned, and is nothing more than an excuse if things don't pan out sooner rather than later. IMO, a greater than above average recruiter/coach should be able to rebuild a program to a point where more positive results than not are visibly apparent.
     
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  8. gtfan088

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    That wasn't my point. Recruiting was not an issue under Hewitt. It has been for his successors.

    I'm not disputing that there's hard evidence that some schools have paid players. However, I am expressing doubt that we're getting outrecruited by all of our competitors because all of them are unethical and willing to pay players whereas we're some shining beacon of ethics and are unwilling to do so. For that to be the case, it would suggest one or both of the following: that paying players coincidentally became ubiquitous around the time that Hewitt was fired and/or that we were willing to pay players under Hewitt but decided to stop the practice after his departure.

    To me, it makes far more sense that our coaches since Hewitt have just not been great recruiters.
     
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  9. BuzzLaw

    BuzzLaw where have all the average people gone

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    It could also be that paying players became more prominent around the time of Hewitt’s departure.

    But I understand your point, and it’s well made. There’s no doubt that flat out selling the program or yourself as a coach does make a difference.

    In 2010, Memphis was 2nd in recruiting with three 5 stars. GT was 66th with a 4 star and a 3 star.

    In 2011, Memphis was 69th with one 5 star. GT was 56th with a 4 star and a 3 star (Hewitt’s last year).

    In 2012, Memphis was 47th with two 4 stars.

    In 2013, Memphis was 3rd with one 5 star and five 4 stars.

    In 2014, Memphis was 37th with one 4 star.

    In 2015, Memphis was 9th with three 4 stars.

    So what happened?
     
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    gtfan088 Dodd-Like

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    That's a good question. He was supposed to have great AAU connections in the south, but we've yet to really see that amount to any significant signings.
     
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    18in32 Petard Hoister

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    18in32 Petard Hoister

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    +1
    "All the winning programs are unethical" is another convenient excuse much like "Calculus for businessmen is just too hard."
     
  13. BuzzLaw

    BuzzLaw where have all the average people gone

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    (1) there’s evidence that winning programs are cheating
    (2) Pastner’s recruiting classes are listed above

    So, if you’re of the opinion we haven’t been recruiting well, what do you think the reasons are?
     
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    18in32 Petard Hoister

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    There’s evidence that some winners and losers are cheating, and there’s no evidence that some other winners and losers are cheating. The cheaters (who are they?) get a very uneven return on their money — just like all other dollars spent on basketball programs.

    Why aren’t we recruiting well? I blame bad logic. That’ll get you every time.
     
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    At Memphis, Pastner was following a legend and taking over a perennial tournament team that had been in a final four recently. Add to that Pastner was a rising star in the coaching world.

    At GT, he is a damaged-goods coach who walked into a dumpster fire. Still, he has managed to get into the final 2 or 3 with some good players. He simply can't close the deal.
     
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    It's also possible that Hewitt just got lucky in recruiting.
     
  17. BuzzLaw

    BuzzLaw where have all the average people gone

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    In other words you have no idea?
     
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    BuzzLaw where have all the average people gone

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    Pastner recruited well long after Calipari was gone.

    I still believe he can make it happen here
     
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    He did. Recruiting is one of those things that builds on itself. Success breeds success. He just has to find some success. Land one big time player or make a tournament run next year and this thing could get rolling. Question is can he do it?
     
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    Sure, and it's possible Nick Saban is just a lucky coach.
     
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