It's Thursday...Vad Lee

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he lost me at JMU is one of the best schools in the nation.. i dont even know where it is or care to
 
I know this is all water under the bridge but if I'm reading between the lines correctly, it sounds like CPJ promised to integrate more passing into the scheme which I think he honestly tried initially before giving up quickly on it and going back to the base offense.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
I know this is all water under the bridge but if I'm reading between the lines correctly, it sounds like CPJ promised to integrate more passing into the scheme which I think he honestly tried initially before giving up quickly on it and going back to the base offense.
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He was fine to add in more passing as long as Vad could run the base offense well too. But Vad couldn't run the base offense very well, so PJ chose to focus on making sure that was up to snuff first and stopped trying to integrate the passing at the same time, then Vad got unhappy and left.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
I know this is all water under the bridge but if I'm reading between the lines correctly, it sounds like CPJ promised to integrate more passing into the scheme which I think he honestly tried initially before giving up quickly on it and going back to the base offense.
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He gave up on it after the UNC hit. Things just were not the same after that play.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
I know this is all water under the bridge but if I'm reading between the lines correctly, it sounds like CPJ promised to integrate more passing into the scheme which I think he honestly tried initially before giving up quickly on it and going back to the base offense.
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That’s pretty much right. CPJ wanted to integrate more pistol/gun/spread passing concepts. He recruited guys like Luallen and Vad Lee with that intent, he sold it to them that he would evolve his offense and that’s what he intended to do. Ultimately we couldn’t execute well, and CPJ reverted back to what would work/win games (as a coach he prioritized winning). And Vad transferred out because that isn’t what he was best suited to do. He had a lot of success at JMU and JT was great for us — so think it worked out for all.
 
The Champ said:
That’s pretty much right. CPJ wanted to integrate more pistol/gun/spread passing concepts. He recruited guys like Luallen and Vad Lee with that intent, he sold it to them that he would evolve his offense and that’s what he intended to do. Ultimately we couldn’t execute well, and CPJ reverted back to what would work/win games (as a coach he prioritized winning). And Vad transferred out because that isn’t what he was best suited to do. He had a lot of success at JMU and JT was great for us — so think it worked out for all.
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Im not so sure it worked out for Justin Thomas. He ultimately wanted to play in the NFL and tried to switch positions and make it as a free agent but never made it. Had he gone off to Bama as a DB and received Bama DB coaching for four years, he had a much greater chance to make it. This is the biggest issue with the triple option in attracting players.
 
The Champ said:
That’s pretty much right. CPJ wanted to integrate more pistol/gun/spread passing concepts. He recruited guys like Luallen and Vad Lee with that intent, he sold it to them that he would evolve his offense and that’s what he intended to do. Ultimately we couldn’t execute well, and CPJ reverted back to what would work/win games (as a coach he prioritized winning). And Vad transferred out because that isn’t what he was best suited to do. He had a lot of success at JMU and JT was great for us — so think it worked out for all.
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He just never bothered to recruit the foundation to make that work... and we are still excising the price of that decision.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
Im not so sure it worked out for Justin Thomas. He ultimately wanted to play in the NFL and tried to switch positions and make it as a free agent but never made it. Had he gone off to Bama as a DB and received Bama DB coaching for four years, he had a much greater chance to make it. This is the biggest issue with the triple option in attracting players.
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I’m not sure the NFL was ever in JT5 future. He was listed as 5’10”, but didn’t look anywhere close to that. He was at a serious disadvantage there.
 
The Champ said:
That’s pretty much right. CPJ wanted to integrate more pistol/gun/spread passing concepts. He recruited guys like Luallen and Vad Lee with that intent, he sold it to them that he would evolve his offense and that’s what he intended to do. Ultimately we couldn’t execute well, and CPJ reverted back to what would work/win games (as a coach he prioritized winning). And Vad transferred out because that isn’t what he was best suited to do. He had a lot of success at JMU and JT was great for us — so think it worked out for all.
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It is hard to evolve your offense when you have a backup running so well in practice. 2014 was probably the best offense CPJ put on the field. A Vad lead offense does no better than 1-3 against Clemson, UGa, FSU, and Miss St back to back.
 
WracerX said:
It is hard to evolve your offense when you have a backup running so well in practice. 2014 was probably the best offense CPJ put on the field. A Vad lead offense does no better than 1-3 against Clemson, UGa, FSU, and Miss St back to back.
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Idk. The 2014 team was good on multiple fronts, it wasn’t all the QB. Our defense did enough to beat Clemson, and JT made some boneheaded plays that almost cost us vs UGA. Our defense was a big reason we won in Athens as well. I can see us winning both of those games with a diff qb.
 
WracerX said:
I’m not sure the NFL was ever in JT5 future. He was listed as 5’10”, but didn’t look anywhere close to that. He was at a serious disadvantage there.
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I was in school at the same time as JT and he was tiny. I’m an actual 5’11 (i.e. without shoes or having my height inflated by a sports website) and I towered over him. He was more in the 5’7 ballpark and being an NFL DB was never happening. It was Darren Sproles or bust for him. Only a self-hating GT fan would blame the option for him not making it in the NFL.
 
The Champ said:
Idk. The 2014 team was good on multiple fronts, it wasn’t all the QB. Our defense did enough to beat Clemson, and JT made some boneheaded plays that almost cost us vs UGA. Our defense was a big reason we won in Athens as well. I can see us winning both of those games with a diff qb.
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Our 2014 defense was bad, but opportunistic.

Vad beat zero ranked teams while at Tech. He was most likely going to go 0-4 against 2 teams that finished in the top 10 and two more that were in the top 15.
 
WracerX said:
Our 2014 defense was bad, but opportunistic.

Vad beat zero ranked teams while at Tech. He was most likely going to go 0-4 against 2 teams that finished in the top 10 and two more that were in the top 15.
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We beat Clemson 28-6, held them to 190 yards, scored twice on defense and had another turnover that set us up inside the 30 to kick a FG. That win had nothing to do with the QB or offense.

The Georgia game JT was 6/16 for 60 yards passing and 34 rushing. His goal line fumble was a 14 pt swing, and his fumble at the end would have cost us the game if not for a miracle. Our offensive success was running the dive 42 times right up Shaq Mason's backside. Another win that wasn't based on the QB.

Our offense was better in the 2013 UGA game than the 2014 UGA game (though UGA may have been better on D; would have to look).

4 of our losses in 13 were because we gave up 55, 45, 41, 48 points; not because our QB play was terrible.
 
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