Jeff Monken and USCe

[TechRush]

South Carolina fans are furious that Army’s Jeff Monken is a candidate for Gamecocks’ coaching job

They're none too happy.

www.saturdaydownsouth.com

Just mentioning his name has people on the verge of burning down Columbia.

 

[cyptomcat]

It's also interesting that Niumatalolo has been at Navy for 13 years now. He is 101–64 there.

Very difficult to get hired if you are going to bring triple option with you.

 

[Old-Fashioned UGA Hater]

USC East's recruiting has never been all that bad. They're problem is that they go head to head with Clemson, Tennessee, Florida, and Georgia who are all ahead of them in the pecking order. People have mentioned before that all they have going for them is that they play in the SEC. You really want to kill all hopes of hanging around top 25 recruiting classes then you hire Monken. This has zero percent of happening.

I'm pretty sure that both Navy and the Citadel have claimed wins in Columbia.

 

[JJacket]

Bad thing is, a team could integrate some 3-O concepts into their offense and own college football. You could come out, run 5-6 3-O plays, go back into a shotgun offense, really change it around. A good 3-O isn't really a specific play call. QB puts ball in belly, reads defense, if he pulls he can keep or pitch. Throw in speed option and a few counters and you have a few plays added to the repertoire. If I coached a team and had a QB I put in for wildcat situations, I'd 3-O

 

[Techbert]

Bad thing is, a team could integrate some 3-O concepts into their offense and own college football. You could come out, run 5-6 3-O plays, go back into a shotgun offense, really change it around. A good 3-O isn't really a specific play call. QB puts ball in belly, reads defense, if he pulls he can keep or pitch. Throw in speed option and a few counters and you have a few plays added to the repertoire. If I coached a team and had a QB I put in for wildcat situations, I'd 3-O

And how many hours of practice would it take to develop the precision you need?

 

[gtchief]

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[JJacket]

And how many hours of practice would it take to develop the precision you need?

As long as it takes to develop any of the other plays in the playbook.

 

[JJacket]

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Careful of Banhammer. Better reference

 

[Uncle Mike]

Let Columbia burn, its already a dumpster fire over there!

 

[smokey_wasp]

I have said before that no P5 is going to go triple in the free transfer era. It would be a bloodbath on day 1. That said, he is a good coach and an imaginative AD could hire him on the condition that he hire a creative OC to run something else. Tough spot for service academy coaches with bigger ambitions. The guy at Air Force is a good coach, too.

 

[OptionJacket]

And how many hours of practice would it take to develop the precision you need?

Well, I see you’ve bought into the myth that it takes 26 hours of practice a day to get the precision of an offensive play designed 50 years ago. GT ran the option with Joe Ham and Godsey yet we could also go shotgun and hurry up. Just because we had the most stubborn coach in history for 11 seasons doesn’t mean his methods are right. At some point in the future, an innovative coach will return to with the option but he’ll also be multiple to keep defenses honest. Something Johnson never could do.

 

[Techbert]

Well, I see you’ve bought into the myth that it takes 26 hours of practice a day to get the precision of an offensive play designed 50 years ago. GT ran the option with Joe Ham and Godsey yet we could also go shotgun and hurry up. Just because we had the most stubborn coach in history for 11 seasons doesn’t mean his methods are right. At some point in the future, an innovative coach will return to with the option but he’ll also be multiple to keep defenses honest. Something Johnson never could do.

Friedgen used the wishbone and some simple option concepts, but not traditional triple option wishbone. We motioned out of the wishbone more than we stayed in it. Most of what you saw was Joe's innate ability.

 

[johncu]

USCe thinks too highly of themselves to go this route. Ironically, this is why they hired Muschamp and are currently a laughingstock.

The CPJ tree won’t be back in P5 unless it’s somewhere like Vandy, Wake, Kansas, etc.

 

[Old-Fashioned UGA Hater]

Friedgen used the wishbone and some simple option concepts, but not traditional triple option wishbone. We motioned out of the wishbone more than we stayed in it. Most of what you saw was Joe's innate ability.

I loved when Joe would run the option and then step back and throw down field.

 

[ScionOfSouthland]

If he could evolve it more in the direction of the spread formations with a good passing game he might be successful there. A pure triple option coach isn’t going to win the SEC East.

 

[JJacket]

Friedgen used the wishbone and some simple option concepts, but not traditional triple option wishbone. We motioned out of the wishbone more than we stayed in it. Most of what you saw was Joe's innate ability.

We ran some wishbone against ND in the Gator Bowl with Joe Ham

 

[goldbybirth]

And how many hours of practice would it take to develop the precision you need?

If you don't do the cut blocking, probably not long. You could do some rocket sweeps out of it if you had a burner and wanted to get him on the edge in a hurry. just a couple of plays. Also, it would be kind of neat to come out aligned in TO and motion out of it or vice versa.

 

[swampsting]

Monken's cousin Todd is the OC at Georgia.
USCe's No. 1 recruit is Gunner Stockton, the QB from Rabun County. His coach is Jaybo Shaw and Shaw is still a huge Monken fan. Stockton's dad is the DC at Rabun and also a big Monken fan.
I wouldn't necessarily automatically assume Jeff will bring the triple to Columbia. In fact, I would be surprised if he did.

 

[RamblinWreck92]

USCe only has to look at us to see the deleterious effects the TO has on a program.

Anyone who thinks a TO coach is going to get USCe competitive with Clemson and the mutts is high.

 

[cyptomcat]

Monken's cousin Todd is the OC at Georgia.
USCe's No. 1 recruit is Gunner Stockton, the QB from Rabun County. His coach is Jaybo Shaw and Shaw is still a huge Monken fan. Stockton's dad is the DC at Rabun and also a big Monken fan.
I wouldn't necessarily automatically assume Jeff will bring the triple to Columbia. In fact, I would be surprised if he did.

I would bet Shaw is tight with Monken. Shaw transferred to Southern to play for Monken, and then later also coached under Monken. Still, USC is not going to keep Gunner if they purely run triple option.

When CPJ got hired at Tech, there was some speculation he would run a different spread option offense at Tech. We experimented with Vad Lee, but never got the offense to work well enough.

I haven't followed Army or Monken closely to know if they experimented more and had success, but I wouldn't hire a coach to come in and implement an offense that he doesn't have much experience with. If I want to run triple option, I hire a triple option coach. If I want to run other spread offenses, I hire whoever seems to be best at that.