Johnson Defends the T.O. ... again

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Paul Johnson takes on the nation, and Miami fans, who say it's a high school offense... the article definitely brought my spirits up a bit about our offense. Apparently we're just shy of where we were at this time last year after the VT loss when it comes to yardage, scoring, and passing... I dunno about you guys, but I had no idea about this little bit of info:

the Yellow Jackets (2-1) are ahead of last year's season averages in almost every category but one (rushing) as they prepare to host North Carolina
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"I don't know if anybody caught the Boston College-Clemson game," the coach asked. "How many first downs did they [BC] make? Four. They had 50 yards of total offense. We had 418 yards [against Clemson] and there's something wrong with us." (CPJ)
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I think we're gonna do great this weekend, and finally bring some respect to GT and the triple option.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-tech/johnson-says-tech-offense-145326.html
 
gtcu17 said:
Paul Johnson takes on the nation, and Miami fans, who say it's a high school offense... the article definitely brought my spirits up a bit about our offense. Apparently we're just shy of where we were at this time last year after the VT loss when it comes to yardage, scoring, and passing... I dunno about you guys, but I had no idea about this little bit of info:

And
I think we're gonna do great this weekend, and finally bring some respect to GT and the triple option.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-tech/johnson-says-tech-offense-145326.html
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We don't want respect---we want WINS. Respect is a by-product of winning---not losing and looking good in the process.
 
Yukonwreck said:
We don't want respect---we want WINS. Respect is a by-product of winning---not losing and looking good in the process.
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Exactly. I want a win, I want to embarrass UNC to shut up everyone (probably wont happen) and to put us back on the right track... THEN we'll see if respect follows.

"Ain't nobody givin' us nothin. I don't want anybody to give me somethin', I wanna take it. Lets go out there for sixty minutes, one play at a time, and get us some respect." -Paul Johnson
 
Every time we lose and a team slows down our rushing, we will get this. It's not aimed at PJ or GA Tech, it is a truly burning question in the minds of the media: Is the triple option a dinosaur in college football?
 
I guess what I liked about the article is that it goes deeper than what people see. For instance, we're actually doing just as good if not better on paper, its just that you can't see the results.

We know it's not a dinosaur. I hope that we can SHOW that it's not a dinosaur.
 
stinger78 said:
Every time we lose and a team slows down our rushing, we will get this. It's not aimed at PJ or GA Tech, it is a truly burning question in the minds of the media: Is the triple option a dinosaur in college football?
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+1
Probably the best analysis of this situation. Spot on.
 
who cares about perception --someone else's opinion ...just WIN
 
I just find it amusing that GT detractors think "High School Offense" is pejorative. What's the logic? Since GT runs a offense that is used by high school teams, it is inferior? Well in that case, the spread offense would be inferior as well, since last I checked it's pretty prevalent among high school teams.

I wish CPJ wouldn't give this idiots the time of day; let them remain in ignorance.
 
What's funny is that a season of solid play only temporarily silenced the skeptics, while 3 games is enough for them to feel vindicated in saying the TO won't work in a BCS conference.
 
I don't mind anyone calling it a high school offense if we are winning. If we are not winning and it's true that you can't run the Triple Option consistently at this level, I would hope coach would adapt. The doubts start creeping in when it's as poorly executed as it is through three games. On the plus side, we don't seem to be fumbling with it as much as last year.
 
Gaguy said:
I don't mind anyone calling it a high school offense if we are winning. If we are not winning and it's true that you can't run the Triple Option consistently at this level, I would hope coach would adapt. The doubts start creeping in when it's as poorly executed as it is through three games. On the plus side, we don't seem to be fumbling with it as much as last year.
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No offense is going to be nearly as effective as it should be without proper blocking and solid quarterback play.
 
What is old is new, but with a slight twist.

There is no such thing as an inherently superior offense or defense that can stand the test of time. If offenses are successful then they are copied and defenses adjust and the offense is less successful. Repeat.

The T.O has a couple of advantages over more common offenses:
1) Defenses are not accustomed to it and therefore have problems with schemes, techniques, and philosophies specialized to stop more common offenses.

2) Personnel - T.O teams can recruit quality players who would be considered 'tweeners' for other offenses. Is it better to get the 15th or 25th best pro-style QB or the 1st or 2nd best TO QB? Excellent smaller RBs can excel when they might be discounted by programs running more common offenses.


The catch is that if we are successful then the idea will spread and we lose those two advantages. It is a longstanding game of measures and counter-measures that has no endi in sight.
 
lonestarjacket said:
What is old is new, but with a slight twist.

There is no such thing as an inherently superior offense or defense that can stand the test of time. If offenses are successful then they are copied and defenses adjust and the offense is less successful. Repeat.
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I am going to create what I like to call "The Madden offense"....this is the offense that some of my friends play (completely unintentional), where as the QB instead of stepping up in the pocket, they fall back about 20~25 yards every pass attempt and then throw a 30 yard pass for a 5 yard gain. This offense can not be stopped!! By the time the pressure gets to the QB the receivers have busted open! Flawless!

I think I may even try having my RB retreat all the way to the endzone to let the field spread out before running full speed ahead.

I don't see how this offense can be stopped. :)
 
lonestarjacket said:
The catch is that if we are successful then the idea will spread and we lose those two advantages.
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I have to disagree. Johnson's experience with the scheme is so integral to its success that the only way we lose the advantage is if we lose him. Hawaii doesn't use the offense anymore, nor does GA Southern. Only Navy, and if memory serves their coach spent most of his career with Johnson.

The concept of the offense, a triple-option based spread, is already around and being run by other teams - that's not the advantage. The style can be aped by copying the playbook, but the success of the playcalling is something I struggle to see others repeating.
 
Ok the funny thing is, is that everyone says that we have this many yards. well no offense to those people but you can have as many yard as you want. You still need to score in order to win. Ga tech cannot pass the ball. That is why we can not brake open for TD plays. Everyone know that GA tech can't pass so they stack the box, until we can make defenses more honest.
 
GTJohan85 said:
I have to disagree. Johnson's experience with the scheme is so integral to its success that the only way we lose the advantage is if we lose him. Hawaii doesn't use the offense anymore, nor does GA Southern. Only Navy, and if memory serves their coach spent most of his career with Johnson.

The concept of the offense, a triple-option based spread, is already around and being run by other teams - that's not the advantage. The style can be aped by copying the playbook, but the success of the playcalling is something I struggle to see others repeating.
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Well, that doesn't necessarily conflict because Johnson is better at it than others. If others started running it then we WOULD lose some advantages.

I find it hard to believe that Johnson is the only person that could make it work to some extent. The other service academies use it as well.

The unproven and untested experiment we are part of is whether it works better or worse with a higher level of athlete.

if it is successful, then other coaches will invest the considerable time to learn it well.
 
lonestarjacket said:
Well, that doesn't necessarily conflict because Johnson is better at it than others. If others started running it then we WOULD lose some advantages.

I find it hard to believe that Johnson is the only person that could make it work to some extent. The other service academies use it as well.

The unproven and untested experiment we are part of is whether it works better or worse with a higher level of athlete.

if it is successful, then other coaches will invest the considerable time to learn it well.
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I think the number 1 reason why more teams don't run it is because of the NFL.

The NFL runs mostly pro sets, and so the best talent (read most likely to go to NFL) want to go to schools where they can play in the same set to show to the NFL what they can do.

That is why only teams with 'lesser talent' run the option. I'm curious to see with the 'wild{cat|whatever}' becoming more prominent in the NFL if more kids will want to be option QB's, or RB's in an option type system that normally wouldn't have been.
 
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