Just What exactly is this "Triple Option"??

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The Triple option is an American football term for a running or possibly passing play, which involves three different ways to progress the football up the field of play. There are three basic forms of triple option known as the wishbone triple option, the veer triple option, and the I formation triple option.
The wishbone triple option can utilize several formations including the flexbone or Maryland I. A wishbone triple option typically means that the play will strictly be a run and that the play will involve the three primary running backs. First, the quarterback (QB) receives the football from the center. Then the fullback (FB) either takes the football from the quarterback and runs up field, or he 'fakes' the handoff. If the fullback does not take the football, then the quarterback sprints parallel to the line of scrimmage with one of the slotbacks or halfbacks trailing him. The quarterback can either turn up field or pitch the football to the trailing slotback. Hence the term triple option because the fullback is option number one, the quarterback keeping the ball is option number two, and the quarterback pitching to the slotback is option number three.
The veer triple option replaces the fullback with a speedy halfback and utilizes a tight end. The veer begins like a wishbone triple option but may involve passing as alternate for the quarterback rather than running the ball.
The I option is similar to the wishbone, but with a single halfback known as an I-back (as run at Nebraska up until 2003).
The triple option forces defenses to worry about fullbacks running in the middle of the offensive line and to worry about quarterbacks and slotbacks running to outside of the line. The decision of who to carry the ball (which option to make) can either be made before the play in the huddle, or during the play by the QB, who will make decisions based on the position and play of certain defensive players and what they are doing. For example, if the QB keeps the ball but a defender is coming at him, he will pitch to the slotback (or FB), but if the defender covers the possible pitch to the slotback, the QB will keep the ball, perhaps even faking a pitch.
In recent years, as spread offenses have become popular, many teams have begun to run variations of the triple option with the quarterback in the shotgun. This has been greatly popularized by the succes of coaches such as Rich Rodriguez, John Morin, and Urban Meyer. The more traditional version of the triple option utilizes a quarterback under center and is advocated by the service academy coaches Fisher DeBerry of Air Force and Paul Johnson of Navy.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_option
 
In other words, goodbye Sean Renfree and any other pro style QB.

You're an idiot.

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Are you going to tell me that Godsey ran the Triple O!? Or that he is even remotely capable of running the Triple O? How many tall goofy white guys run the triple O? How many BCS schools have run the triple O in the 21st century? (succesfully). Maybe WVA qualifies, I don't know, but the big east isn't known for its speedy defenses.

What happens when Nesbitt flunks our or gets hurt? Is booker going to run it? We have one option QB on the roster now.
 
Are you going to tell me that Godsey ran the Triple O!?
That was sarcasm, right?

Yes, Goose ran the triple option. We ran option runs between 5 and 10 times per game Godsey's junior year, under Freidgen. You may remember a double-tight triple option run Goose made against Georgia, that went for 40 yards and a TD, in 2000, using a motion WR (Kelley Campbell) as the pitch guy, although Goose kept it and bootlegged against the play. I could diagram the play for you if you like.

Are memories really that short around here? Sheesh.
 
I wouldn't call running the Triple O 5 to 10 times a game a TO offense...PJ must've ran it 40 times or more against Army.

I don't remember Godsey ever running the triple option, not saying he didn't because I can hardly remember those days...why the hell would anybody respect him as a ball carrier? Seems like having speed at QB is the #1 requirement to run such an offense.
 
I wouldn't call running the Triple O 5 to 10 times a game a TO offense...PJ must've ran it 40 times or more against Army.

I don't remember Godsey ever running the triple option, not saying he didn't because I can hardly remember those days...why the hell would anybody respect him as a ball carrier? Seems like having speed at QB is the #1 requirement to run such an offense.

I'm starting to agree with beej. If you don't know what the heck you're talking about it might be best to just read for a while. Both Godsey and Hamilton ran it and had success against our two biggest most athletic rivals at the time- FSU and UGA.

PJ isn't necessarily my top choice but I'm not naive enough to think he will run the TO 40 times a game with our personnel.
 
I wouldn't call running the Triple O 5 to 10 times a game a TO offense...PJ must've ran it 40 times or more against Army.
I am operating under the assumption that we won't see a "90% run" offense at Tech if PJ were hired, considering that was nothing like what he ran at Hawaii.

People need to get off the doom and gloom and quit beating the "PJ Only Runs" strawman.

I don't remember Godsey ever running the triple option, not saying he didn't because I can hardly remember those days...why the hell would anybody respect him as a ball carrier? Seems like having speed at QB is the #1 requirement to run such an offense.
It doesn't matter whether you respect him as a ball carrier or not. That's the beauty of the option. You still have to designate one guy to tackle him, no matter how white and slow he is, which means that's one less guy to block. The #1 requirement is not speed, it's decision making ability, and timing.

When defending the triple option, if nobody marks the fullback (first option) he gets 10 yards up the middle. If nobody marks the quarterback (second option) he gets 5 yards around the end, no matter how slow and white he is. If someone marks the QB and nobody marks the pitch guy (third option) he takes it to the house. Lather, rinse, repeat, and if any of those 3 linebackers gets blocked, or is out of position, or overpursues, then it's a successful play. It attacks a defense's discipline with your decision making ability.


Let me feed you some examples. In 2000, Tech ran a double tight, double wide, single back set a lot, because in a single back set nobody expects to have to defend triple option, and it threw the guys off.

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vs NC State that year, we put Kelley Campbell in motion across the formation, hiked the ball before he made it to the center of the line, and handed it off to him immediately at a full sprint (he ran a 4.3) as the "first option," then faked it up the middle for the second option, then had Godsey fake another direction for the third option. Went for a big gain, can't remember how much, on the end-around, because the TE got a sealing block on the outside LB and the other WR made his block on the CB.

Same year, different game, same formation, can't remember the opponent. We line up the same way, then put KC in motion again. This time he peels off the line a bit and we hike it before he gets to the center, fake the handoff to Joe Burns up the middle (first option) then Godsey runs with Kelley along the line (second option). Outside LB goes for Kelley to stop the pitch, TE makes a sealing block on the Middle LB, and Big Slow White Godsey runs for 10 yards because there's nobody there to tackle him.

So poor Jim Donnan watches the tape, and yells at his DC to make sure when Kelley Campbell goes in motion, they shift all their LBs over to the strong side of the field to stop all this crap. We notice that defensive shift early in the 2000 Georgia game, and call this play: KC goes in motion again, the UGA LBs motion over so they won't get seal blocked, we hike the ball exactly like above, and Godsey bootlegs the other way. The other TE makes a seal on the weakside OLB, and nobody was within 20 yards of Goose the whole way down the field. That was a defense with something like 8 future NFL players starting on it, and Big Slow White George Godsey ran for a 40 yard TD.

That's triple option. And it's what made Tech's offense powerful under Freidgen, period.
 
I just hope you're right regarding his willingness to run what the personnel allows him to. I'm not against running the option, just an entire offense centered around it, but I'll admit its for the completely wrong reason...I just don't like watching it! I feel like I'm watching my old HS offense, the Wing T or something.

And I still say pro style QB's don't want to go to a school that is heavy on the option for the obvious reasons.

But I'll support PJ if he is the man. Winning is all that matters.
 
beej, how about helping me out here. People keep talking about his offense at Hawaii, but all I've been able to find are statements that they were ranked in the top 20 in total offense and rushing offense 6 of 8 years. Do you have evidence that he didn't use a 90% run offense there?
 
This might clear things a little:



Much of Johnson's success has been predicated on his triple option flexbone offense, a run oriented attack that has led NCAA Division I-A/FBS football in rushing yards three of the last four years. Some have criticized the triple option as an antiquated, unbalanced system unfit for major college football, which may explain some BCS teams' reluctance to offer him a position despite his accomplishments at both Georgia Southern and Navy. Johnson has rebutted this argument in numerous press conferences and interviews, asserting that several top teams, including 2005-2006 national champion Texas and 2006-2007 national champion Florida, use various forms of the option. He has repeatedly stated that the superior athletes in power conferences could help the triple option flourish.
However Johnson has also stated that if he had a good throwing quarterback he would use the pass more often.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Johnson_%28American_football_coach%29
 
People keep talking about his offense at Hawaii, but all I've been able to find are statements that they were ranked in the top 20 in total offense and rushing offense 6 of 8 years. Do you have evidence that he didn't use a 90% run offense there?

Nope, if I did I'd present it. He might have run every down there for all I know.

Personally, I don't give a rats ass if he doesn't pass the ball. It's not like we've been able to pass the ball effectively any of the last six years anyways. Hell, we'd have at least 1, maybe 2 more wins vs UGA over the past 6 if we just flat quit calling pass plays.

Also, I admit I do like watching the option, when it's run well, because it disheartens the defenders. They go all out to make this big fancy Sportscenter tackle, only to discover someone else has the ball. It makes me laugh at how dumb they are, and the more frustrated they get, the closer they pull up to the line to give up the deep pass.

Now personally, I'm a Hatcher guy. But PJ won the 2004 Dodd Coach of the Year award, and I'd be very pleased to have him on the Flats. He's definitely in my top 3 remaining, with Hatcher and Tenuta.
 
the problem is the T option is not sexy and pro oriented but it EXTREMELY effective vs most teams who do not see it much,Navy ran it wth 170 and 180 lb halfbacks and 260 lb OTs so great size is not important. Better players will make it run better

otoh-I think PJ will NOT depend on it if he has "other" talent
 
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