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I for one, think the Miami fighting affair has been completely blown out of proportion. There are plenty of fights in sports. There are plenty of times that an individual chooses to fight dirty in sports. Take care of it and move on. The truth is that all the sports talk shows (do y'all realize now how many there are?) are dying for something interesting to talk about. They found it. Yesterday's USC-Clemson fight was just as bad but in just a couple of years the talk air time has exploded and so their indignation has exploded with it.

I personally was not concerned at all about Miami joining the ACC. It's a pretty decent school and they'll figure it out. They also made great strides in cleaning up their program. Our first two seasons, I noticed that Miami played pretty clean football, VPI is who I didn't care for (and of course BC was class).

I believe the Miami guy that taunted the crowd should have been thrown out of the game. That's the officals weakness. FIU clearly started the fight after that and to me, based on how most of the UM folks responded afterward, UM felt they were just defending themselves. I find it extremely hard to believe that the head coach or tv announcer or whomever didn't respond the way they did for no reason. I think the FIU team took this to the next level and most of UM finally settled it.

If I am a player on the sideline and I see my teammates getting mugged, I am going to do something about it, particularly after I see the other team run out on the field. To suggest that football isn't tough and built on teamwork is folly. I believe most of the writers are just piling on because it's easy.

Miami was frustrated this year and did some stupid things. Punish the couple of dumb individuals and then move on, which is what they are trying to do. But the rest of what I'm hearing is basically just a bunch of sissies trying to push their political correctness will on everyone. There is plenty of this going on every day in football.

Lastly, I think the large number of Tech fans wishing for Miami to be punished harder is basically because they are hoping to see a weak Miami as an opponent. I don't. I want them as strong as they can be. I want no excuses for them by the media. I do not want to walk into the ACCCG. I want to earn it. Can we please just drop our wishful hope, and sending emails to the commish, and griping.
 
midatlantech said:
Lastly, I think the large number of Tech fans wishing for Miami to be punished harder is basically because they are hoping to see a weak Miami as an opponent. I don't. I want them as strong as they can be. I want no excuses for them by the media. I do not want to walk into the ACCCG. I want to earn it. Can we please just drop our wishful hope, and sending emails to the commish, and griping.
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You're probably right, however, what happens if Merriwether decides he wants to stomp on Reggie or Calvin or Choice when they're down? He's already shown he's capable of it multiple times in the FIU game. How much will it take for him to snap again on one of our players?
 
Interesting scenario that you bring up Contact. If there was ever a guy that one wouldn't want to mess with by taking a cheap shot, I think Reggie would be the guy. I think he'd get in someone's shiite so fast for taking a cheap against him, the aftermath would be ugly. Also, Calvin seems to be pretty even keeled on the field, but he might be one of those guys that "goes off" if someone pulls a stupid stunt like we're talking about. I'm sure our guys would take care of their own.....especially Tenuta's bunch.

If they didn't, I guess we could both send our "avatar friends" out to save the day. Just the sight of them up close should be enough to disperse a rowdy crowd. :laugher:
 
I don't think people are passing their will on anyone. People aren't obligated to walk a certain walk. They do portray an image of the sport and it DOES set precedence. If the radio is just finding something to talk about, let them. I won't listen. They did not conjure this up. Too many excuses from too many people. I don't press my ideals on anyone, but incidents like take from the integrity of the sport. I don't knock any player for sticking up for their teammates, but there is a probelm when that happens more than once. In a way I do have criticisms to this kind of behavior. This comes from my childhood and how the game was perceived then. That may not right a wrong, but I prefer my perception of the game.
 
We got in a fight during a high school baseball game and I understand defending your teammates. Sports are aggresive by nature and especially football. An occasional fight is understandable. In high school football practice, sometimes guys would get frustrated and coaches would let us go at it for a couple of seconds before they would step in. It happens and is almost part of football.
Swinging a helmet, stomping, and kicking guys while they're down and being beat up by several dudes isn't right. The dumbasses that were doing that stuff should be severly punished. That's weak and cowardish behaviour.

No one is intimidated by the "U" so no one is tolerating the "U" and their mob mentality. The scare tactics that worked in the late 80's and early 90's are no longer effective for Miami.
 
Look I'm old school too, and have always felt that there is a code of honor and decorum between the vast majority of athletes. I also know that I have never spent one day in jail or involved with anything stupid because I don't act stupid next to anyone, much less a moronic football player at FIU or Miami.

CJ, if he plays clean, and acts accordingly will generally be afforded the respect that goes with it. Yes, I can see Reggie getting into a fight and quite frankly he'd probably deserve to get his bell rung.

Lastly, I do want for the days of clean old football fun. I however, also have seen my Tech team get into a similar fight in fairly recent history. I however, also have asked my fan friends to treat our opponent with respect such as not booing them on to the field, or starting a fight with them in the stands. We are not perfect and until we are, we should not expect the young children emulating us to be perfect either.
 
In a high school soccer game I played in once, we had 5 red cards, 8 yellow cards, 2 fights, and 1 suspension. The suspension was for a guy who got in a fight, spit on the ref, took his jersey off and threw it in the coach's face, and cussed out the principal on the way out of the stadium.

But at NO TIME did both teams grab weapons and attempt to kill each other, and at NO TIME did a bunch of guys on one team hold another guy down while their teammates stomped on his neck with one inch cleats.

If anybody does either of those things, they should be prohibited from playing the sport, ever again. Here's some great dichotomy:

Marcus Vick, potential NFL superstar, was kicked off the team for stomping on someone's knee with his cleats. Everyone agrees that was a just punishment. Now compare that to Miami, who’s got dozens of players that did stuff much worse and has only suspended them for half of the Duke game.

beej67,
noting that his soccer team had record attendence the next week
 
beej67 said:
Marcus Vick, potential NFL superstar, was kicked off the team for stomping on someone's knee with his cleats. Everyone agrees that was a just punishment. Now compare that to Miami, who’s got dozens of players that did stuff much worse and has only suspended them for half of the Duke game.
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I don't think Vick was kicked off the team for this one act. It was the last straw after a number of embarassing incidents on and off the field.
 
Didn't Beamer only kick Vick off the team after he was arrested on a firearms charge, which happened a few days after the gator bowl? IIRC, Beamer wasn't going to do much of anything right after the gator bowl.

I also remember the gator bowl refs referencing Vick's foot stomp and saying word-for-word "I would have thrown his ass out if I saw that." That kind of candor was a breath of fresh air in this age of relentless political tact.
 
Typical scUM post from a scUM fan. As usual saying that it wasn't a big deal that scUM players were swinging helmets and stomping on people, its part of the game don't you know? What really pisses me off about this post is when he says we are hoping for suspensions just because we want to make the scUM game easier for us. No suspensions would do that, because quite frankly it is going to be easy anyway. Because these scUM fans can't accept the fact that their team sucks.
 
People who live in glass houses...

I am no Miami fan, however I believe most of our fans reaction is just about the same as what the Miami players did. There is a feeding frenzy going on in college football and it is driven by the same testosterone as the trouble that Miami and FIU are in. The players acted poorly, and quite frankly our fans are basically acting just like them. Let it go, it just isn't that big a deal in today's society.

Until we choose to act and handle our lives above this all, then we have nothing to throw at other people. Georgia Tech quite frankly is one of the most disgusting and vulgar venues in college football. I can't count how often I have been embarassed or couldn't get someone to attend the game or buy season tickets, etc. because of it. How can you possibly justify this and then continue to attack Miami?

Their boys made a mistake, we've given them more than enough grief, now move on.
 
TechGator1066 said:
Typical scUM post from a scUM fan. As usual saying that it wasn't a big deal that scUM players were swinging helmets and stomping on people, its part of the game don't you know? What really pisses me off about this post is when he says we are hoping for suspensions just because we want to make the scUM game easier for us. No suspensions would do that, because quite frankly it is going to be easy anyway. Because these scUM fans can't accept the fact that their team sucks.
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Me thinks techGATOR is more upset about not having breaten Miami since 1985 as a brawl with FIU.
 
Yes, I've basically come to that same conclusion for a lot of people. Miami is getting hammered, FIU very little and it's not just because Miami's players did things worse or weren't suspended more harshly. The truth is that Miami kicked the living crap out of most of college football for years and now everyone is getting their payback. And in my opinion, that's just as immature as throwing a helmet.

I find myself defending Miami now, a team I really preferred to despise, because of what I'm seeing from the Tech family.
 
Beg your pardon, but I do think that it has to do with the fact that FIU dropped the hammer and UM is not. Which of these schools values wins way over sportsmanship? Which team is more likely to embarrass themselves and their conference again SOON. And I havent seen all the film, but the worst offenses that I saw involved UM players. And I haven't studied the history, but UM pulls stunts over and over and over.

The Duke game is a joke. Clemson and USC got it right for a NORMAL melee. The ACC needs to consider cancelling Miami's postseason the same way.
 
goldmember said:
Me thinks techGATOR is more upset about not having breaten Miami since 1985 as a brawl with FIU.
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Yeah sure I'm upset UF never beat them in 2002 and 2003. But what does that have to do with this? This reaction from everybody is justified b/c this FIU fight was just another thing that scUM has done in the past two seasons and this quite frankly demands outrage. Ok, 2005 Peach Bowl- fight with LSU after getting manhandled 40-3, 2006 @Louisville-Whole team stomping on midfield logo result is not good as scUM gets their ass kicked 31-7, finally 2006 FIU- after scUM taunting of FIU throughout the game FIU player starts fight, but scUM most definitely finishes it, players swinging helmets, stomping FIU players, pretty much a street fight. Now there probably wouldn't be much outrage if scUM did the right thing and suspended all 13 players(although many more were involved just watch the fight on youtube) indefinitely, but of course scUM would never do such a thing as discipline players. There wasn't outrage following the two previous incidents, but after this one people have had enough and it is time scUM is accountable for its actions. Can you name one ACC school that has had this much go down within the past two seasons? VPI has had off field problems, I'm talking about on field problems.
 
midatlantech said:
Yes, I've basically come to that same conclusion for a lot of people. Miami is getting hammered, FIU very little and it's not just because Miami's players did things worse or weren't suspended more harshly. The truth is that Miami kicked the living crap out of most of college football for years and now everyone is getting their payback. And in my opinion, that's just as immature as throwing a helmet.

I find myself defending Miami now, a team I really preferred to despise, because of what I'm seeing from the Tech family.
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Because scUM used to be able to back this crap that they do up with on field performance. Now they can't so people are rightfully justified in their comments about the classless behavior of "da U" which as floridajacket has said has returned to original form.
 
UM certainly was known for flagrant "in your face" action back in the late 80's, early 90's. But I believe they did try to improve their image in the last ten years, at least I felt they were successful.

At LSU and later this year, they clearly showed some frustration and let it get the best of them. But most teams do that now and then. They need to clean their act again, so what. How's your team Florida acting recently?

I remember when I was just as angry about FSU as you are and Miami. I was convinced that Peter Boulware and the other great DE's that FSU had were trying to harm my QB. I was angry, I hated them, I was convinced that they were complete thugs. The truth of course, was that my team was getting the crap kicked out of them and that Peter Boulware is actually a pretty incredible guy. (I still didn't like Andrews goal of "knocking out the QB").

All great teams get this around the country. We hate ND for one big reason: They generally kick the crap out of us and worse yet are a northern team that did it so often during our history as to embarass our wonderful program. So we pick on them, say they cheat, argue that they get special treatment and all the other stuff I read prior to our game this year. And when they make a mistake we completely clobber them with it, because deep down it's the only way to get back at them. (of course, unfortunately the O'Leary thing made us look bad too, but the rest of the country had a field day.)

It's just part of the game. Move on.
 
midatlantech said:
How's your team Florida acting recently?
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Pretty well imo. They haven't been in any fights nor have they stomped on an opposing team's midfield logo. Just pissed that scUM didn't hand out the same punishment to their players that FIU did.
How are you guys going to defend the Coral Gables Thugs if they do this crap to our guys next saturday?
 
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