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I don’t want to count chickens but let’s face it; the Samford game is not half as alluring as the BC game. The Bulldogs will get their arse handed to them by the Jackets next weekend. So let’s get past the whole one game at a time reactions that I know some of you were already getting ready to type and let us speak of the Eagles for a minute.

Unfortunately, the BC/Wake game was not on television and the stat column can be a little misleading. We knew six months ago that Matt Ryan would throw the football 600 + times for over 3000 yards this season. Ryan’s first game of the season fit perfectly into those kinds of expectations. So, what do you think?

Is BC’s passing offense 400+ yards per game good or was there a combination of a polished passer meets a weak Wake Forest pass rush/defense?

Can BC run the football if need be? Andre Callender on gained 49 yards on 14 carries versus the Deacs.

What about the BC defensive backfield? Wake completed 45 passes for 365 yards last weekend. However, they did throw 4 interceptions in that same game.

How good is BC versus the run? No one has really seen it yet. Wake’s Micah Andrews only carried the football 7 times in that game.

Give me your thoughts, analysis, and predictions.
 
Hey Mustang, I went to high school in Macon. Sister still lives there... now I live in Winston-Salem and follow Wake sports pretty closely. Listened to the game(was in the mountains without a TV). Going into the game, we knew Wake's greatest weakness would be the corners. Unfortunately for the Deacs, so did BC. They just picked the corners apart all game. The Deacon defense did have a couple of scores or it would have been much worse. Wake's running game was disappointing as well.

Clearly, we pressure a QB better than most. Whether or not, BC can do a decent job of protecting Ryan remains to be seen, but given time, he is the real McCoy.

As strange as it sounds, I am not sure that Notre Dame gave us a great idea of how well we can run the ball. Either the Irish is pretty bad defensively or we are pretty good. I hoping the latter is true.

Look for a ball control, grind it out running game for us and a lot of balls in the air from BC. But let's win the game Saturday first. As I said I was in the mountains this weekend, not far from Boone... man, those App fans were beaming.
 
This game scares the sh*t out of me. I don't know much about BC, but lets face it, they have a tested QB who is all conference and probably the best we'll face all year. They will attack us with short passes and misdirection running plays/delayed draws.

The big question mark is how is BC's offensive line? If they are big and can hold off our pressure long enough to let Ryan throw the ball, then watch out because our cornerbacks are the weakness on this team.
 
Agreed, the deciding factor is going to be the lines, as it is in most games, though its all the more important with our less experienced corners. I have confidence in our dline, and I think we were having a lot of success with the delayed blitz on saturday which I hope will translate well agianst a better oline, but we'll see. All in all though, BC is my biggest worry in the ACC this year because of the QB talent.
 
BarrelORum said:
This game scares the sh*t out of me. I don't know much about BC, but lets face it, they have a tested QB who is all conference and probably the best we'll face all year. They will attack us with short passes and misdirection running plays/delayed draws.

The big question mark is how is BC's offensive line? If they are big and can hold off our pressure long enough to let Ryan throw the ball, then watch out because our cornerbacks are the weakness on this team.
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Definitely a tough matchup for us. They held Wake to less than 10 yards rushing if I'm not mistaken and they have a solid passing attack (which you probably already know unless you've just fallen off the turnip truck). So, it will be a test of our strengths vs. theirs.

What I think I know about their Oline is that it's not as strong as some of the recent lines they've trotted out there. This is based on 2nd hand information from many sources (like this from CFN.com - The new coaching staff will install a new zone blocking scheme, putting a premium on quick, flashy runners, but the line might not be suited for the system.). A new zone blocking scheme + our defense designed to confuse the OLine looks like an advantage going into the game.

Another thing I think I know is that teams that throw it 52 times (like BC did against Wake) are not setting themselves up to succeed against a Tenuta defense. Looking back at recent history, no team with a air-driven attack has dominated us - the teams that have given our D trouble are running teams (I hate to say gimmicky running teams because it seems that college football is somewhat trending toward these Rich Rodriguez style attacks) with dominant Olines - WVU & Clemson of '06, UVA of '05.

I think the more important question is can we maintain our ground game against BC's front seven. As long as the O can provide a few scores and sustain drives the D will take care of it's business.
 
Jacket Ob said:
As strange as it sounds, I am not sure that Notre Dame gave us a great idea of how well we can run the ball. Either the Irish is pretty bad defensively or we are pretty good. I hoping the latter is true.
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FWIW, ND's defensive line, although somewhat undersized, was supposed to be the team's major strength with several talented starters and backups returning.
 
I expect BC to give us a tough game. As far as offense goes, we know what to expect from Matt Ryan. The running game, on the other hand, I think we may be able to take advantage of. Although BC returns Whitworth and Callender at tailback, they've moved to a zone run-blocking scheme. This didn't prove to be horribly effective against Wake Forest last week. In general, we've been great against teams who fail to run on us, so this is encouraging.

On defense, BC returns their entire front seven from last year's team. Although most of the numbers don't exactly jump off the page, they snagged 21 interceptions last year (and they've gotten off to a quick start this year as well). However, it's hard to give too much credit to a unit that gave 28 to Wake. To dominate this side of the game, we'll need safe, consistent play at the quarterback position. Choice should be able to run behind our OL, but we'll need a solid passing game to prevent BC from loading the box. Limiting turnovers is a given.

All of that being said, I think Tech comes away with a win for one big reason: it's an 8 pm home game. BDS will be pretty crazy with both teams likely coming in undefeated. A win would get us off to a great start in the ACC rankings.
 
GTROY said:
All of that being said, I think Tech comes away with a win for one big reason: it's an 8 pm home game. BDS will be pretty crazy with both teams likely coming in undefeated. A win would get us off to a great start in the ACC rankings.
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That's something I intended to add to my post as well. I think a late game at BDS will make a difference.
 
GTROY said:
I expect BC to give us a tough game. As far as offense goes, we know what to expect from Matt Ryan. The running game, on the other hand, I think we may be able to take advantage of. Although BC returns Whitworth and Callender at tailback, they've moved to a zone run-blocking scheme. This didn't prove to be horribly effective against Wake Forest last week. In general, we've been great against teams who fail to run on us, so this is encouraging.

On defense, BC returns their entire front seven from last year's team. Although most of the numbers don't exactly jump off the page, they snagged 21 interceptions last year (and they've gotten off to a quick start this year as well). However, it's hard to give too much credit to a unit that gave 28 to Wake. To dominate this side of the game, we'll need safe, consistent play at the quarterback position. Choice should be able to run behind our OL, but we'll need a solid passing game to prevent BC from loading the box. Limiting turnovers is a given.

All of that being said, I think Tech comes away with a win for one big reason: it's an 8 pm home game. BDS will be pretty crazy with both teams likely coming in undefeated. A win would get us off to a great start in the ACC rankings.
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They didn't give up 28 to Wake. 14 was due to two turnovers returned for TDs.
 
MustangGT said:
I don’t want to count chickens but let’s face it; the Samford game is not half as alluring as the BC game. The Bulldogs will get their arse handed to them by the Jackets next weekend. So let’s get past the whole one game at a time reactions that I know some of you were already getting ready to type and let us speak of the Eagles for a minute.

Unfortunately, the BC/Wake game was not on television and the stat column can be a little misleading. We knew six months ago that Matt Ryan would throw the football 600 + times for over 3000 yards this season. Ryan’s first game of the season fit perfectly into those kinds of expectations. So, what do you think?

Is BC’s passing offense 400+ yards per game good or was there a combination of a polished passer meets a weak Wake Forest pass rush/defense?

Can BC run the football if need be? Andre Callender on gained 49 yards on 14 carries versus the Deacs.

What about the BC defensive backfield? Wake completed 45 passes for 365 yards last weekend. However, they did throw 4 interceptions in that same game.

How good is BC versus the run? No one has really seen it yet. Wake’s Micah Andrews only carried the football 7 times in that game.

Give me your thoughts, analysis, and predictions.
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Mustang,
You finally scared me with a post. I say let's forget BC this week and focus on Sam. I'm wondering how serious Mich too AP. St.
I agree w/the alluring part and I appreciate what you are thinking but it's these Samfords & such that worry me more than anyone else. I'm just hoping now we can get thru Sat without losing any players to senseless injuries. It's not impossible for Samford to hand us our hat.
 
romegajacket said:
Mustang,
You finally scared me with a post. I say let's forget BC this week and focus on Sam. I'm wondering how serious Mich too AP. St.
I agree w/the alluring part and I appreciate what you are thinking but it's these Samfords & such that worry me more than anyone else. I'm just hoping now we can get thru Sat without losing any players to senseless injuries. It's not impossible for Samford to hand us our hat.
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While that's good to say and all, App State would probably look past Samford at this point. App State has won two straight championships while Samford went 3-8 last year and has so far had a close win against West Alabama.

Of course I want the team to execute their plays well and make it out of reach by halftime. But for me as a fan, I want to learn more about our next opponent that's a serious threat.
 
ContactBuzz said:
Looking back at recent history, no team with a air-driven attack has dominated us - the teams that have given our D trouble are running teams (I hate to say gimmicky running teams because it seems that college football is somewhat trending toward these Rich Rodriguez style attacks) with dominant Olines - WVU & Clemson of '06, UVA of '05.
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I gotta disagree here as Maryland had a great game plan for us last year. I expect to see many of the same type of dinky donk passes we saw from Maryland last year,


I think the more important question is can we maintain our ground game against BC's front seven. As long as the O can provide a few scores and sustain drives the D will take care of it's business.
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I agree here, I think this will be the decisive factor as to who wins. I think BC is going to score some points. Our success will depend on our running game.
 
I worry more about Clemson than BC. A pocket passer better have a great OL against us, or he will be in for a long day with LB, CB, and Safety blitzes in addition to a powerful front four. Ryan will be glad he only played us once in his career.

What does hurt is is a team with a stable of running backs and speed and play action passing game. Clemson will not let their QB sit back and get pounded by our blitzes. We will have to stop their run game, which we failed to do last year.
 
Matt Ryan will torch our corners. All the talk about how bad Pat Clark looked isn't my major concern, we're at the point now where we NEED Jahi back in a hurry, and that's not saying much about our talent at CB. Jahi is awful, but he's not as bad as Pat Clark so it's kind of misleading, he really can't defend the pass either, he's solid against the run though. Him being out Sat. vs Samford is just what we need I think, maybe Reese and Butler will both step up, I personally think that they both HAVE to be better than Jahi and Pat, because they are just plain awful.

I think we get a big turnover and outscore BC in a close one.
 
GTfanNBama said:
Jahi is awful, but he's not as bad as Pat Clark
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Dude, Jahi is a good player. He's not the best I've seen, but he is very solid and would be starting in a lot of past years. He had some problems against WVU but he led our team in knockdowns for the season. He tackles well and he plays the run well.

If you think he is awful, then you don't know sh*t about what you are talking about.
 
BarrelORum said:
Dude, Jahi is a good player. He's not the best I've seen, but he is very solid and would be starting in a lot of past years. He had some problems against WVU but he led our team in knockdowns for the season. He tackles well and he plays the run well. .
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You are correct BOR. Jahi is true junior and is set to have a big year. Too bad he had the head injury so early in the ND game. He will have to sit out against Samford. He covers well...and comes up to play the run extremely well. Avery Roberson is about as solid as the come at the opposite side...and has excellent game experience. How quickly we forget that Avery Roberson was an AJC Super 11 player! Pat Clark is definitely the one struggling.

...too bad we lost Marius.

Anyway...expect to see lots of Mario Butler and Dominique Reese this weekend against Samford.

As far as someone stating that Ryan will pick us apart. That depends on how well he can throw the quick underneath routes with someone blitzing down his throat...and then the WR catching it as a safety or LB is about to knock them into next week. Our defense is MUCH faster than WF.

imho...a team with shifty and strong TB's like Clemson will give us far more trouble...just as they did last year.
 
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the kid is awful against the pass, the reason he had the knockdowns is b/c people knew to throw his way more than to k.scott's side, common sense will tell you( or maybe not) that since more balls were thrown at him, more balls would get knocked down. That stat looks good on paper, but you'll see when he gets back and has to cover a good WR.
 
hope i'm wrong about the kid, hopefully he's improved 10x from last year, have to see how it plays out.
 
Geez, Bama, Jahi has gotten better every single year. This is his junior year, the one that players tend to stand out if they are going to stand out at all. Give him a chance. Jahi is far superior to Pat Clark right now.

And yes, a good experienced quarterback tends to give us fits.
 
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