Looks like another DB commitment...

yeah ....his offer list isn't blowing my skirt up. I feel like we are definitely on B-list for CBs now....with guys like Pugh and others off the table.
 
SMoney said:
Mustang - any info on Reid?
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I can tell you that 33Jacket is incorrect. He's not a B player on our board.

He's 5-10 180lbs from St Augustine Fl. He had a very good camp at GT. Ran a 4.43 forty.

There is a team mate of his that we're also recruiting, Carlton Lewis, who plays Safety.

Both are said to be super athletes.
 
33jacket said:
yeah ....his offer list isn't blowing my skirt up. I feel like we are definitely on B-list for CBs now....with guys like Pugh and others off the table.
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According to those involved with the coaches, they loved these guys when they saw them in person, and they are in no way B list guys.
 
GTTerrific said:
I can tell you that 33Jacket is incorrect. He's not a B player on our board.

He's 5-10 180lbs from St Augustine Fl. He had a very good camp at GT. Ran a 4.43 forty.

There is a team mate of his that we're also recruiting, Carlton Lewis, who plays Safety.

Both are said to be super athletes.
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I never said we WERE on our B-list...I said I FEEL like we are...in other words just my opinion. Whether or not we arctually are..I don't know.

I do know we just offered him, and he just committed.

I also know players like Mario Williams that perform well in camps and combines don't always = great on the field. So while I love the fact we got to evaluate him in person, I also am tempered by the point below.

And, I also know he has other legit D1A teammates other bigger schools have been scouting, and no offers from said schools.

finally, I LOVE the Lockhart pickup. I just question Reid; as normally guys that run 4.4's and have great teammates get more pub...but, just my opinion.

So again, what defines b-list? To me its any offers that come out after your initial list committed elsewhere. That is why this is B-list. Neither were original targets, both were evaluated at camps, and both got offers. B-list; does not equal B-quality. It equals B-list...the second list, the second set of offers. I want to be clear on that...

No where did I say he is a poor player. All I said is I felt, we are on our second list of candidates. Which, by my summation seems true. So with that said, it isn't blowing my skirt up, much like blackwood, or reese or guyton or wheeler didn't at first. Yet, some of those are all star candidates.

You can't tell me you are as excited about Reid, as you were about AJ Jenkins?
 
33jacket said:
I never said we WERE on our B-list...I said I FEEL like we are...in other words just my opinion. Whether or not we arctually are..I don't know.

I do know we just offered him, and he just committed.

I also know players like Mario Williams that perform well in camps and combines don't always = great on the field. So while I love the fact we got to evaluate him in person, I also am tempered by the point below.

And, I also know he has other legit D1A teammates other bigger schools have been scouting, and no offers from said schools.

finally, I LOVE the Lockhart pickup. I just question Reid; as normally guys that run 4.4's and have great teammates get more pub...but, just my opinion.

So again, what defines b-list? To me its any offers that come out after your initial list committed elsewhere. That is why this is B-list. Neither were original targets, both were evaluated at camps, and both got offers. B-list; does not equal B-quality. It equals B-list...the second list, the second set of offers. I want to be clear on that...

No where did I say he is a poor player. All I said is I felt, we are on our second list of candidates. Which, by my summation seems true. So with that said, it isn't blowing my skirt up, much like blackwood, or reese or guyton or wheeler didn't at first. Yet, some of those are all star candidates.

You can't tell me you are as excited about Reid, as you were about AJ Jenkins?
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Reid is one of the top db's on our board. His performance along with Charlon Lewis were two of the best at our three camps. That includes Karnell Hatcher who's getting all the pub.
 
Gotta be the height. 5-10 versus 6-1 is huge when it comes to offers. You will see the factories really working hard to find bigger corners.

I agree that the Lockhart pickup passes all of the 'sniff tests'. 5' 11.5" at a combine is considered legit whereas the 5-10 isn't 'confirmed'. With the confirmed Lockhart numbers and the evaluation that occurs at camp, this guy has to be an 'A'. No way we go 'B' this early.

If Reid is legit 5-10 running a 4.43 at 180 pounds, this guy will play (at the very least four years of serious contributions on ST).

If you look deep, the number of guys running 4.43 at 180 lbs is not a long list. Things seem to be cyclical, and speed today isn't given the priority that it was 10-15 years ago. Height is, IMHO, perhaps being overemphasized now. The idea being to some extent: Who cares if our WR are slow, if they can outjump the DB by a foot, they don't need to be very 'open'.
 
sidewalkfan said:
Reid is one of the top db's on our board. His performance along with Charlon Lewis were two of the best at our three camps. That includes Karnell Hatcher who's getting all the pub.
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Yeah after the camp...and after the initial list of offers went out. Reid was just offered in the past week or two...

so by my perspective, that puts him in the second list of offers...or B-List.

Again, that doesn't mean b-quality...he may be a top talent..I for one hope he is!!!!
 
33jacket said:
I never said we WERE on our B-list...I said I FEEL like we are...in other words just my opinion. Whether or not we arctually are..I don't know.

I do know we just offered him, and he just committed.

I also know players like Mario Williams that perform well in camps and combines don't always = great on the field. So while I love the fact we got to evaluate him in person, I also am tempered by the point below.

And, I also know he has other legit D1A teammates other bigger schools have been scouting, and no offers from said schools.

finally, I LOVE the Lockhart pickup. I just question Reid; as normally guys that run 4.4's and have great teammates get more pub...but, just my opinion.

So again, what defines b-list? To me its any offers that come out after your initial list committed elsewhere. That is why this is B-list. Neither were original targets, both were evaluated at camps, and both got offers. B-list; does not equal B-quality. It equals B-list...the second list, the second set of offers. I want to be clear on that...

No where did I say he is a poor player. All I said is I felt, we are on our second list of candidates. Which, by my summation seems true. So with that said, it isn't blowing my skirt up, much like blackwood, or reese or guyton or wheeler didn't at first. Yet, some of those are all star candidates.

You can't tell me you are as excited about Reid, as you were about AJ Jenkins?
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Not going to argue with your opinion. That's your opinion. I will tell you he is not a B list player for GT. He might be for you, but he's not for GT.

yes, i'm as excited about Reid as I am with AJ Jenkins. Why would you SAY I am not. I'm through with this conversation. Adios.

:biggthumpup: I got sick of this board before, and It hasn't taken me long to get sick of it again.
 
33jacket said:
Yeah after the camp...and after the initial list of offers went out. Reid was just offered in the past week or two...

so by my perspective, that puts him in the second list of offers...or B-List.

Again, that doesn't mean b-quality...he may be a top talent..I for one hope he is!!!!
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Not so fast my friend...

We have, in the past, not offered until grades were checked. This has led to wierd things like four star players offers from literally everyone but us yet with us on their short lists. We seem to 'vet' longer. It is very possible that we were checking Reid's grades.

Obviously the coaches invite certain players that they already know all about and have previously checked out thoroughly. Those offers would be pre-approved and would go out at that time.
 
33jacket said:
Yeah after the camp...and after the initial list of offers went out. Reid was just offered in the past week or two...

so by my perspective, that puts him in the second list of offers...or B-List.

Again, that doesn't mean b-quality...he may be a top talent..I for one hope he is!!!!
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I think the problem here 33 is semantics. When you say B list you mean we didn't offer him in the first wave of offers. What most people mean by B list is the guys you go after when the guys you really want aren't available.

What seems to have happened with these guys is that the coaches offered some players who they had seen already. They held back a lot of offers however until they could see other guys. These DBs they have more recently offered really impressed the coaches after they got to see them up close and were high on the list of guys Tenuta really wanted.

What's going on is that you need to stop using the term "B list" unless you mean it like everyone else does. Otherwise you're going to have the same reaction every time.
 
ncjacket said:
I think the problem here 33 is semantics. When you say B list you mean we didn't offer him in the first wave of offers. What most people mean by B list is the guys you go after when the guys you really want aren't available.

What seems to have happened with these guys is that the coaches offered some players who they had seen already. They held back a lot of offers however until they could see other guys. These DBs they have more recently offered really impressed the coaches after they got to see them up close and were high on the list of guys Tenuta really wanted.

What's going on is that you need to stop using the term "B list" unless you mean it like everyone else does. Otherwise you're going to have the same reaction every time.
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Perhaps your right, but is that my problem or theres?

It seems B-list = B-quality in most peoples minds; ok I acknowledge that; thats fair.

That's unfortunate though. That is like saying second string, means the player is not as good, and can never be as good as first string.

I wonder what MJ, Dwyer and others have to say about that?

your right, its semantics, I guess B-list to me just means its the second wave of offers. If you look, our offers typically come in waves...we get the initial big timers out rather quick, then go onto "need more evaluation" "need academic clearance" players next. Those are all B-listers to me, as if the A-listers comitt and fill up a position ie WR, we stop the b-list typically.

anyway...I will conform. That seems to be what everyone needs to do today anyway.
 
Well, if you use language/terms differently from the majority (unless it's a dictionary definition you can point to) then yeah, it probably is your problem. :smirk:I understand what you're saying, but I also thought you're first comments were meant to imply that these kids aren't as good or good enough to be on our list. I don't really look at it as conforming though, more like effective communication.
 
sidewalkfan said:
Reid is one of the top db's on our board. His performance along with Charlon Lewis were two of the best at our three camps. That includes Karnell Hatcher who's getting all the pub.
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I can always count on sidewalkfan to put down some reliable information...I have been away during these commitments and bet this topic would come up before I even logged on to see the reactions to the commitments!!!
 
Obviously Tenuta likes something in Reid. Look at the past and see who some thought were reaches, aka Bowen,Wheeler, Gardner, Guyton, JJ, Bennett, AJ. Smith coming in as a DE, the list goes on...this staff has been very good talent evaluators and finding people who fit their system, they get the most out of their talent.
 
Interesting you would list some guys who haven't started a single game as exceeding expectations.
 
The other 2 are starters this season one is only a soph too and he was a one star. You want more- 2 stars- Jamal Lewis, McManus, Greg Smith, Vance Walker, Rhodes, Tums, Wrotto, and Oliver. Hmm Lewis and Oliver were only 2 stars and made All ACC, what were the coaches thinking recruiting those so called "reaches"?
 
demjackets said:
The other 2 are starters this season one is only a soph too and he was a one star. You want more- 2 stars- Jamal Lewis, McManus, Greg Smith, Vance Walker, Rhodes, Tums, Wrotto, and Oliver. Hmm Lewis and Oliver were only 2 stars and made All ACC, what were the coaches thinking recruiting those so called "reaches"?
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They were probably thinking "I can tell the difference between a two-star guy who will still be a two-star when he graduates and a two-star guy who will be playing on Sunday when he graduates."
 
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