Looks Like Georgia Tech Needs To Do A Better Job …

öööö these high school coaches. I hate the pandering up and down the line in college football. Sorry if you want a job or money or references because you have a stud athlete who happened to live near your school or your booster club brought him in. It is so asinine and obvious that everyone is trying to cash in on recruiting madness.
 
I'm sorry but this sounds like Collins and staff not doing their job:

Said one coach of a team in the Atlanta Public School system, “I have not seen a coach from GT at our place since before the pandemic.”

Another coach in the Fulton County Schools system wrote that in the spring, coaches from Georgia, Clemson and other top programs stopped by his school to talk with him about his players. The day after the visits from Georgia and Clemson, a Tech coach dropped off a packet without stopping to talk, according to the coach, who understandably was not happy.
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You've got to do the legwork. I don't recall hearing complaints like this under Johnson.
 
These high school coaches simply want to help their players have great opportunities. Plus, the more players in their program who get offers, the more attractive their schools are to kids and parents. High school coaches lose players to more successful programs all the time, usually justified by their parents believing their kid will have the better chance of being recruited

My son has coached for the past thirteen years here in the Raleigh area. Somehow, they hear more from and enjoy better relationships with one staff above any others. Somehow Dabo and his staff have the time for Clemson to show a Wake County school in NC more attention than Duke or Wake. I will say NC State’s staff does a great job with establishing good relationships with local staffs. UNC only works on that relationship when there is a recruit on their radar. It is worth your time to get to know the staffs, and to learn which ones you can trust their evaluations of how well their players might fit your program.
 
I have a good and long time friend who has coached at Peach County, Valdosta and now is at Colquit County. He has always told me Georgia has done more to develop relationships with the high schools than Tech. I think he would say the Gailey staff did the best by far in establishing those relationships.
 
justafan said:
I don't recall hearing complaints like this under Johnson.
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They were discussed here by people more knowledgeable of the situation than most. I don’t remember if there were any articles stating as such, though. These always seem like a “hey come look at our kids more” free publicity as you can say whatever about a losing program.
 
The truth is that most of the high schoolers in the state are rich in football talent at the cost of academic knowledge. You can recruit all you want but a kid with an 800 SAT isn't going to survive at Tech even if you lower the admission standard.
 
GTCrew4b said:
öööö these high school coaches. I hate the pandering up and down the line in college football. Sorry if you want a job or money or references because you have a stud athlete who happened to live near your school or your booster club brought him in. It is so asinine and obvious that everyone is trying to cash in on recruiting madness.
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In other words, some HS coaches want some free lunches, some swag, and some cash under the table so you can gain access to their players and have the coach sing the praise of attending GT. Otherwise, still wearing the gagger hat everyday and rootin' for UGAg.
 
JJacket said:
In other words, some HS coaches want some free lunches, some swag, and some cash under the table so you can gain access to their players and have the coach sing the praise of attending GT. Otherwise, still wearing the gagger hat everyday and rootin' for UGAg.
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Sounds like some of them just want a handshake and a word. Running in and dropping off an info packet is bare minimum laziness. Anyone who has done sales, which is what recruiting is, knows that personal relationships are invaluable.
 
justafan said:
I'm sorry but this sounds like Collins and staff not doing their job:

You've got to do the legwork. I don't recall hearing complaints like this under Johnson.
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I definitely remember there being some sort of quote accusing Johnson of exactly the same thing, which he felt annoyed enough by to speak to refuting it in that interview he gave recently. If it was the high school coaches claiming that about him then, I'd start to think they're making öööö up at this point. It's possible it was Collins who claimed that of Johnson though.

Also for that last part in your quote, if true I imagine that's what happens when some schools can pay for so much staff that there could maybe even be one person dedicated to each high school (this is hyperbole) where some other schools have one person who has to visit every school in the a couple counties.
 
We already knew this.... Why do you think Chadwell and Fritz were offered before CBK? However CBK is the hire and we need to help him with his new staff to get out there. The positive, is the new staff can recruit the state better, keep K. Watson and lets GO JACKETS!
 
GTLiebs said:
I definitely remember there being some sort of quote accusing Johnson of exactly the same thing, which he felt annoyed enough by to speak to refuting it in that interview he gave recently. If it was the high school coaches claiming that about him then, I'd start to think they're making öööö up at this point. It's possible it was Collins who claimed that of Johnson though.

Also for that last part in your quote, if true I imagine that's what happens when some schools can pay for so much staff that there could maybe even be one person dedicated to each high school (this is hyperbole) where some other schools have one person who has to visit every school in the a couple counties.
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Tech seems to focus its energy on one-on-one relationships with recruits and doesn’t put as much energy into relationships with coaches. It seems like it wouldn’t take all that much more energy to drop by schools every so often, shake hands, and drop off some Tech swag.
 
I don't know what the approach has been over the years for Tech recruiting in Georgia, but the simple fact is most HS athletes in general don't qualify and won't make it at Tech. If you are trying to find the ones that will and are good enough to make a difference on the playing field, you have to be selective about the resources you expend to find them.

If it were me, I wouldn't spend time and resources going to a local HS that doesn't have students in general that have ever gone to Tech or any school of similar educational requirements. They aren't likely to have athletes that would 1) qualify and 2) have interest and 3) be good enough to contribute. That doesn't mean I wouldn't make phone calls and talk with their coaches but I'm not going to spend a lot of time and resources with a school that doesn't typically produce a student athlete or students in general that fit Georgia Tech and vice versa.

This is why coaches in the past have recruited more nationally for student athletes at Tech. Bobby Ross comes to mind. You simply have to cast a wider net.

It has always been a problem in the past 1) finding them 2) getting them qualified 3) keeping them qualified and now 4) keeping them from the portal.

This an old discussion that has been going on for decades. I think the door has always been open to any kid from any place with any background that wants to pursue being a student athlete at Tech that can make the grade and help the program. I agree that Tech needs to do a better job finding them. It's a difficult job.

I think the transfer portal could end up being very helpful for Tech in this regard. It filters out a lot of kids that aren't going to make it as a student because they have some academic history at the college level you can quickly evaluate. The first filter has already been applied. It is a national pool so you aren't geographically limited thus increasing your overall pool of pre-filtered student athletes.

I don't know what the current academic climate is for student athletes at Tech. I know what Tech use to be like and it was a slog for everyone. Hard work and you had to do it. I assume it still is to a large degree. I hope it is. So, you have to recruit in an intelligent way and I think the best way to do that is nationally with a very clear idea of what you are looking for and coaches that are very good at evaluating talent.

Just my 2¢
 
Buzzilla said:
I don't know what the approach has been over the years for Tech recruiting in Georgia, but the simple fact is most HS athletes in general don't qualify and won't make it at Tech. If you are trying to find the ones that will and are good enough to make a difference on the playing field, you have to be selective about the resources you expend to find them.

If it were me, I wouldn't spend time and resources going to a local HS that doesn't have students in general that have ever gone to Tech or any school of similar educational requirements. They aren't likely to have athletes that would 1) qualify and 2) have interest and 3) be good enough to contribute. That doesn't mean I wouldn't make phone calls and talk with their coaches but I'm not going to spend a lot of time and resources with a school that doesn't typically produce a student athlete or students in general that fit Georgia Tech and vice versa.

This is why coaches in the past have recruited more nationally for student athletes at Tech. Bobby Ross comes to mind. You simply have to cast a wider net.

It has always been a problem in the past 1) finding them 2) getting them qualified 3) keeping them qualified and now 4) keeping them from the portal.

This an old discussion that has been going on for decades. I think the door has always been open to any kid from any place with any background that wants to pursue being a student athlete at Tech that can make the grade and help the program. I agree that Tech needs to do a better job finding them. It's a difficult job.

I think the transfer portal could end up being very helpful for Tech in this regard. It filters out a lot of kids that aren't going to make it as a student because they have some academic history at the college level you can quickly evaluate. The first filter has already been applied. It is a national pool so you aren't geographically limited thus increasing your overall pool of pre-filtered student athletes.

I don't know what the current academic climate is for student athletes at Tech. I know what Tech use to be like and it was a slog for everyone. Hard work and you had to do it. I assume it still is to a large degree. I hope it is. So, you have to recruit in an intelligent way and I think the best way to do that is nationally with a very clear idea of what you are looking for and coaches that are very good at evaluating talent.

Just my 2¢
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It isn’t true that most HS kids can’t get into tech as football players. There are some we can’t go after, but it is certainly not the majority
 
The Champ said:
It isn’t true that most HS kids can’t get into tech as football players. There are some we can’t go after, but it is certainly not the majority
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Then the standards have dropped a lot since I was there like SAT requirements. Do those matter any more? Just asking since apparently a lot has changed that I have missed. It use to require a waiver if a potential student athlete didn't have a minimum score.
 
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