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Loyal

Etymology: Middle French, from Old French leial, leel, from Latin legalis legal
unswerving in allegiance: as a: faithful in allegiance to one's lawful sovereign or government b: faithful to a private person to whom fidelity is due c: faithful to a cause, ideal, custom, institution, or product

Looking over all the many posting on possible head coach candidates, I see the names of many of the finest coaches in the game; Spurrer, Chow, Rodriguez, Peterson, Kelley, Leach, etc.

Dear Santa,

My Christmas wish is a head coach who is loyal to Georgia Tech. Not a knight errant, but someone who is a true fan of the institution. Who wants nothing more than our coaching job, who bleeds white and gold, who agonizes over each loss and not because he lost a bonus or his marketability takes a dip.

The individual who is truly loyal will have my unwavering support through many 7-5 seasons and too many loses to Georgia because I would know that when the breakout season does come while he might take his family to Florida, it would be to see Disneyland and not because he is looking for the next step up on the ladder.
 
I said something similar to this on the hive... I used the word committed instead of loyal. I got jumped on by people claiming that Chan has been committed...delusional.
 
You don't think CCG is committed or loyal to Tech? If an NFL team is going to throw some money at you, you're always going to listen.
 
I think he's as committed and loyal as any other Tech coach has been in the past 40 years.

How long til Ross jumped ship? O'Leary?
 
I want the best HC we can get that plays by the rules. I hope that he is so successful that an NFL or other college team is willing to offer him a gagillion dollars. If he decides he wants to take it, I will thank him for what he did while here and speak glowingly about them instead of throwing them under the bus for abandoning us. Then I will wish for the best HC we can get that plays by the rules again.
 
You guys are living in a dream world, if by loyal or committed you mean a coach who won't look at other opportunities. This isn't the 50s, that just doesn't happen anymore. When Spurrier left FL that should have ended all of this tripe. Coaches are always looking for the next best thing. Just as ADs and fans are always looking for the next great coach. I want sonmeone who can win the right way and leave (if he does) the program in better shape than he found it.
 
Hey,


This is my letter to Santa. Anyone who is my age and still believes in Santa can also believe in a head coach who dreams only of being the head coach at Georgia Tech.

IF we can't find such a coach, then I hope Santa gives us a binding contract that will make us all zillionaires if he leaves.

Curry, Ross, O'Leary, Gailey look at every coaching job as a stepping stone. That's fine, but when we hire another cut from the same fabric don't act so shocked when they leave after a breakout someone might think you believe in the tooth fairy.
 
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These coaches aren't around any more? "cough Bullsh** "cough"...Billy Donovan from UF jumped ship and then said hold up no I can't leave UF... A lot of people took this the wrong way... it's easy to get pie eyed at the big money thrown at you. Is it so much to ask for someone to bleed gold and white like we do? If I had the talent to coach this is where I'd be PERIOD... How about you beej? JTS? NCjack? this is where y'all would be too! You'd be getting paid good money at your dream job! Why go somewhere else? Surely there is someone in the coaching world too that may feel this way.
 
The trick is getting someone who's a loves Tech like an alum, who also knows how to coach winning football. To say we would be happy there is fine, but best I can tell, none of us know's what the hell we're talking about when it comes to coaching college football. All I'm saying is that if your dream, is all that will make you happy, that's a problem. But if you're willing to accept someone who can coach, who appreciates what Tech is all about but isn't ready to turn down his dream job, then it will all work out.

Plus, Donovan isn't ready to leave now, for that job. He may still leave at some point in time. If he doesn't, that's great for him and FL. Also doesn't hurt that FL will pay pretty much whatever it takes to keep him.
 
beej67 said:
I think he's as committed and loyal as any other Tech coach has been in the past 40 years. How long til Ross jumped ship? O'Leary?
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good point.


ncjacket said:
You guys are living in a dream world, if by loyal or committed you mean a coach who won't look at other opportunities. This isn't the 50s, that just doesn't happen anymore... Coaches are always looking for the next best thing.
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...and very true.
 
If I had the talent to coach this is where I'd be PERIOD... How about you beej?
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You kidding me?

I would stay a coach at one place if I had either one of three things:

1) a guaranteed lifetime contract, or
2) was already a billionaire and wasn't planning on making a career out of coaching, or
3) fans that supported me even if things went wrong

Tech has none of that. Why do you think Spurrier went to South Carolina? Because they sell their stadium out even when they're 2-10, and they support their team/coach even when they're down. That's why.

The nature of modern football is that you simply don't stay in any one place for longer than a decade, unless you're an icon. Because sooner or later a season comes along where you're going to have to fall on your sword. Unless you can attain 'icon' status before that season comes along, you're boned.

Any of you guys remember that Oatmeal guy coming by here preseason talking about how Weis would be at ND forever because they'd just given him a 10 year deal? Remember my response to him? "Yes you've given him a 10 year deal, but he won't last it, because you're going to fire him before then." There was my big bold pre-season prediction. Looks pretty obvious now, 'eh?

Boy would I love to be Weis right now. All he has to do is lose one more season and he'll get fired, and ND will buy his contract out. He can buy a lot of donuts with that amount of cash.

Back to the question: My dream job is being the HC at Georgia Tech. (actually, I'd rather get paid less and be the OC, more fun, even though I'm astoundingly unqualified) But I'm smart enough to know that it's at most an 8 year job before the Tech fans force me to fall on my sword, no matter how good or bad I am. So if I was making a career out of coaching, I'd take that higher paid job that shows up 5 years in, eventually leading to a job in broadcasting, and be favorable to Tech in everything I wrote afterwards.

In short, I'd pull a Bill Curry.
 
Can anyone provide a successful college coach who would be considered both loyal and consistently successful?

I can really only think of two -- Bowden at FSU (although he's gone through a bad few years) and Paterno at PSU (again, a few bad years in the past few). Both of these coaches are at "powerhouse" schools, and I would suggest the challenge to find a similar coach and keep him at GT would be even higher....

That said, and given the lack of real "loyal" coaches, is the question/issue posted by the OP valid?

I'm not saying loyalty to an institution is a bad thing, or that this is a good characteristic to look for in future coaches (should it come to that), just that it is a very difficult if not impossible thing given where college football is at today...Mike
 
Beamer.

Anyone you list is going to meet that 'icon' status, because they didn't have a "fall on your sword" year before they attained icon status, so they're lifers.
 
If a coach wants to use Tech as a stepping stone and leaves the program in better shape than he found it that's fine by me.

I'd rather have a guy who succeeds and leaves than one who doesn't and overstays his welcome.
 
FSU and Penn State are powerhouses because of Bowden and Paterno. There are plenty of "loyal" coaches:

Beamer - Has had plenty of offers to leave
Grobe - I am sure he has had opportunities
Rodriguez - Everybody has been after him
Schiano - Could have gone to Miami or any number of other places
Tiller at Purdue
Alvarez at Wisconsin before he retired
Ferentz at Iowa

Coaches that are successful leave for more money or because they are bored and need a new challenge
 
beej67 said:
You kidding me?

I would stay a coach at one place if I had either one of three things:

1) a guaranteed lifetime contract, or
2) was already a billionaire and wasn't planning on making a career out of coaching, or
3) fans that supported me even if things went wrong

Tech has none of that. Why do you think Spurrier went to South Carolina? Because they sell their stadium out even when they're 2-10, and they support their team/coach even when they're down. That's why.

The nature of modern football is that you simply don't stay in any one place for longer than a decade, unless you're an icon. Because sooner or later a season comes along where you're going to have to fall on your sword. Unless you can attain 'icon' status before that season comes along, you're boned.

Any of you guys remember that Oatmeal guy coming by here preseason talking about how Weis would be at ND forever because they'd just given him a 10 year deal? Remember my response to him? "Yes you've given him a 10 year deal, but he won't last it, because you're going to fire him before then." There was my big bold pre-season prediction. Looks pretty obvious now, 'eh?

Boy would I love to be Weis right now. All he has to do is lose one more season and he'll get fired, and ND will buy his contract out. He can buy a lot of donuts with that amount of cash.

Back to the question: My dream job is being the HC at Georgia Tech. (actually, I'd rather get paid less and be the OC, more fun, even though I'm astoundingly unqualified) But I'm smart enough to know that it's at most an 8 year job before the Tech fans force me to fall on my sword, no matter how good or bad I am. So if I was making a career out of coaching, I'd take that higher paid job that shows up 5 years in, eventually leading to a job in broadcasting, and be favorable to Tech in everything I wrote afterwards.

In short, I'd pull a Bill Curry.
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That sucks dude... Seriously I'd ride that horse out here at Tech... I'd just have fun doing it. It's my team! If they made me leave then yeah ok I'd go but why go if they wouldn't?

All I'm saying is that there are coaches out there who could be loyal and successful. Will we get one? Probably no. But, what's the harm in hoping? It could happen and it's more likely than winning the lottery I think. We have a good school in a great location, good recruiting state, great facilities, good conference it could happen. :fingersx:
 
71YellowJacket said:
Loyal

Etymology: Middle French, from Old French leial, leel, from Latin legalis legal
unswerving in allegiance: as a: faithful in allegiance to one's lawful sovereign or government b: faithful to a private person to whom fidelity is due c: faithful to a cause, ideal, custom, institution, or product

Looking over all the many posting on possible head coach candidates, I see the names of many of the finest coaches in the game; Spurrer, Chow, Rodriguez, Peterson, Kelley, Leach, etc.

Dear Santa,

My Christmas wish is a head coach who is loyal to Georgia Tech. Not a knight errant, but someone who is a true fan of the institution. Who wants nothing more than our coaching job, who bleeds white and gold, who agonizes over each loss and not because he lost a bonus or his marketability takes a dip.

The individual who is truly loyal will have my unwavering support through many 7-5 seasons and too many loses to Georgia because I would know that when the breakout season does come while he might take his family to Florida, it would be to see Disneyland and not because he is looking for the next step up on the ladder.
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Chris Hatcher
 
beej67 said:
Beamer.

Anyone you list is going to meet that 'icon' status, because they didn't have a "fall on your sword" year before they attained icon status, so they're lifers.
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Touche.

However, I would take Chan's first 6 years (in a stronger top-to-bottom ACC) over Beamer's first 6 (in a weak BE)...Mike
 
However, I would take Chan's first 6 years (in a stronger top-to-bottom ACC) over Beamer's first 6 (in a weak BE)...Mike
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Sure, but Beamer clearly didn't have a "fall on your sword" year before he had been engendered to VT as a school icon. Chan is dangerously close to having a "fall on your sword year."

Do note that Beamer beat UVA in his first 6 years.
 
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