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a top notch, winning football program. I read one post that listed all the mediocre bowls we've been to since Dodd and said to expect BCS bowl bids was unrealistic, I wanted to puke. That is exactly why I want the administration to get this program back to where Dodd had us in the 50's and NO, it is not unrealistic. If Miami can do it, so can Tech. I remember in the 60's and 70's we use to kick Miami's tail but they got the right folks in there to turn the program around. We CAN do the same thing but we got to get the right folks on board. Sometimes I think Curry would be a good choice for AD because he understands what type of athlete and coaching it takes to get us there. The big question is does he have the nads to make it happen?
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In my opinion the only thing holding us back is the academic requirements ( rumored to be 4 math courses, 960SAT’s and at least a 3.0 GPA), so until this changes we will have no shot of recruiting great players on a consistent basis and therefore never consistently compete with the Football factories. This has been debated over and over again the question is do we want to make the tradeoff of Academics for Recruits, are we willing to create “jock” majors and soften academic requirements in the name of future success?

I’m do not think we should, in my opinion it would strip Tech of its uniqueness as a school and gradually degrade the academic profile of the Tech student (no disrespect to you liberal arts and social science majors out there), so that’s were I stand on that, but then again I’m just one guy.
 
You go talk to Clough and tell him you want GT to be a football factory then. See how far that gets you.
 
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so, we were just very very lucky in 1990?

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No we were underrated and had a good team but we were not subject to the NCAA scholarship requirements that we are now, also Ugag wasn't the 800 lbs gorilla that it is now. The main difference between 1990 and now is the NCAA restrictions on scholarships as a function of graduation rates, which really forces us to recruit kids that can cut it academically and thereby ignore the average great prospect that wishes to major is "sports and retail management" or "elementary education" or "communications" in order to focus on his NFL chances.
 
Well, we were very good and we were very lucky. We beat VT 6-3 when they weren't very good, we were tied by a mediocre UNC team, we came from behind to beat NCState and held on for dear life against Clemson. ugag sucked so that wasn't even a big win that year. Plus, there were no undefeated teams in top conferences to shut us out of the picture. No way we would have been voted #1 if the SEC or Big 8 champ had been undefeated or if ND had only 1 loss.

We were a legitimate top 10 or top 5 team that had things break our way. That's the way it worked in those days. Today we have to win the conference and worry about SOS and whatever BCS rules are in effect at the time to win a NC.

I have another question for you guys though. You're basically saying you want to turn the clock back 50 years and have Tech win like we did in the 50s. How long do you realistically think it would take to do that? Give me an idea of the changes you think we need to make and how long it will take them to make enough of an impact to get us where you think we should be.
 
Academics are what they are. There are plenty of kids out there who have the grades and can help build the program to a nop notch level. In order to get these players, we have to win, and I believe we are on the right track. Top players want to play on top teams. If we get to that level, and stay consistent, we will have no problems getting the players. Just because we can't recruit every player on the board doesn't mean we can't be successful.
 
We didn't have the grad rate restrictions for however many years after 1990 either. There will always be some excuse, and usually a lot of them, for why we (or any other school for that matter) didn't win a national championship.

Bad coaching, poor recruiting, high standards, everyone in the state hates us, we don't travel well, we don't fill up our stadium, the team doesn't wear navy anymore, ths gold's not the right shade, the ACC is harder, we play a tough OOC schedule, etc /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crybaby.gif
 
Most people expect it but don't expect it immediately. It's going to take a few years to build a foundation(based on winning), which was made a little tougher because of our difficult OOC scheduling. AU&UGA&UCONN. Mia-CU USF Temple-weak VaTech-Ohio Marshall and WVU(tougher than Mia but still easier than us) We played probably the toughest sched. in the nation(4/5 teams in the top 25-2 on road)and are still bowling although we got shafted.
We are well respected across the country and we have a lot riding on that 1st game next year against ND. It will probably be one of the biggest games for us going forward.(Keep the fingers crossed that Quinn will leave-their projecting him high) A win there could set the tone for a great season, but a loss will definitely hurt.
I think that we have a great sell for the fringe players that are great athletes but won't make it as pro's(i.e. respected degree) We just have to get over that hump which most of us don't think is that far off.
 
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Just because we can't recruit every player on the board doesn't mean we can't be successful.


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I never said that, but no one can deny how much more difficult it is whem right of the bat you know that about 75% (and that's just a conservative estimate)of the kids out there can't be recruited and you have to fight over the remaining ones with schools were those kids can get national exposure, surround themselves with all world recruits, have an easy major, a nice coed student body, and the hero status that comes from leading a football factory into at least conference championship contention status.
 
I agree, but there at not plenty of

four and five star players like Miami and FSU get than can cut it here. So we WILL continue to be a team built with 'sleepers'.
 
You can't compare GT and Miami. I read an article a few years ago that said that half of the Div 1-A FB players that come out of Florida come from Dade and Broward counties. Only Texas and California produce more players than Florida. It is not a stretch to say that the Miami area has the greatest concentration of FB talent in the country, and Miami gets its pick.

On top of that, Miami can get anyone in, and has majors to hide them in. Plus, Miami is not a bad campus for a young person.

I won't slam you for having higher expectations. However, in the last half century, no one has met your expectations, and the academic situation for GT athletics is far worse than it was in the 1950's. On top of that, no premiere academic institution in the US has been consistently successful at Div 1-A football, and most of them do not have a limited curriculum.

Having high goals is a good thing. Advocating firing the staff every four years for failing to have a top 10 team is foolish given the constraints that GT (and the Board of Regents) has placed itself under.

I agree with you about Curry. He has seen both sides of the academic coin(GT vs Ala and UK). He is well connected and communicates well. Those who are opposed to him are letting petty issues stand in the way of positive progress.
 
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we play a tough OOC schedule, etc /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crybaby.gif

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When I mentioned the OOC sched., I did so just to show the disparity. If we had played Troy State instead of UGA and ended up 8-3 it looks better on paper but I'd rather not pussify the sched just because everyone else does. I just don't think we should set ourselves up for failure if no one else is doing it. We've got ND in the next couple years and ALA down the road to go along with UGA. Another reason is not just the higher probability of a loss, you also get beat up physically against a higher quality opponent.
 
At the same time, too many of our fans.....

......simply remain clueless (and are seemingly content to do so) in regard to what we face in our attempt to be a competitive program.
 
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If Miami can do it, so can Tech. I remember in the 60's and 70's we use to kick Miami's tail but they got the right folks in there to turn the program around.

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We beat Miami this year, in case you didn't notice. By a sane mind, that might be taken as an indication we "got the right folks in there" too.
 
I think we can beat anyone on any day, just not consistenly enough for my taste and I think it's because we don't have the depth allowed by the factories that bring in double digit blue chip recruits. In my opinion the diference is that since we can't match them talent wise we have to play our A game everytime to compete with them and that is very dificult to do. The factories can have a sleepwalker half (like the countless Miami big East games up in the northeast) and still come back, we do not have that luxury.
 
houser1, I agree with you for the most part, but in a 12 game season, I think 2 good OOC opponent (Mutts + 1) and 2 cupcakes is acceptable. The 2nd good OOC doesn't have to be "great" either, but teams like Arkansas, Texas A&M, etc. Schools with a bit of a name, to give us a boost at the start of the season, but beatable.
 
I would totally find it(2quality/2walkovers) acceptable in a 12 game season as well, I just wouldn't want Miami and VaTech to be scheduling 1 quality and 3 powderpuffs.
 
what is this "football factory" crap people keep talking about?

Did Dodd have one in the 50s?

What, exactly, are you talking about?

Talk to clough? He spends most of his time hiding behind a skirt and stabbing our S/As in the back. Who cares what he thinks?
 
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what is this "football factory" crap people keep talking about?

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We've tried to explain it. What part did you not understand?

Since you are flunking the class, you get an extra homework assignment: read the book "A Payroll to Meet". Perhaps it may give you a clue.

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Did Dodd have one in the 50s?

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No.
 
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