We now have two running backs that are 5 ft 8 and under. Embry is 5 ft 8 weighs around 170 and runs a 4.4. With marcus he is 5 ft 6 and weighs around 165 and he has been clocked at 4.32 but his dad said that he recently clocked him at 4.28. I think this is great for the triple o. Who do you think will get more early playing time and who ends up being the best?
Marcus wright/embry peeples
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Whoever Is Strongest And Most Durable
Just because they are fast does not mean they don't have to be strong. Being small is not enough to disqualify them at the BCS level, but if they are small AND weak, they won't see the field.
And slotbacks have to block. More than the feature back.
Peeples was brought in to return kicks and be a 3rd down back. Under coach PJ, both will compete for kick returns and compete for a spot in the slotback rotation.
But remember a good slotback might only carry the ball six times a game.
Just because they are fast does not mean they don't have to be strong. Being small is not enough to disqualify them at the BCS level, but if they are small AND weak, they won't see the field.
And slotbacks have to block. More than the feature back.
Peeples was brought in to return kicks and be a 3rd down back. Under coach PJ, both will compete for kick returns and compete for a spot in the slotback rotation.
But remember a good slotback might only carry the ball six times a game.
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Re: Whoever Is Strongest And Most Durable
Interesting point...
Need some football help.
PJ's offense is made up of;
five linemen
one QB
one 'feature back' lined up behind the QB
one slotback on each side
one wr on each side
If we assume 75 offensive plays per game, we can expect that we would have 50 to 70 running plays, most likely average 50 to 55.
#1 observation;
If the two slotbacks only run 6 a game each that is a LOT of runs involving just the QB and feature back. Do you think that '6' carries assumes a 3 man rotation.
#2 observation;
If the slotbacks are expected to run 6 times a game and block 69 times, why doesn't it make more sense to use a flyweight speedster like Wright in the 'feature' back rotation?
Interesting point...
Need some football help.
PJ's offense is made up of;
five linemen
one QB
one 'feature back' lined up behind the QB
one slotback on each side
one wr on each side
If we assume 75 offensive plays per game, we can expect that we would have 50 to 70 running plays, most likely average 50 to 55.
#1 observation;
If the two slotbacks only run 6 a game each that is a LOT of runs involving just the QB and feature back. Do you think that '6' carries assumes a 3 man rotation.
#2 observation;
If the slotbacks are expected to run 6 times a game and block 69 times, why doesn't it make more sense to use a flyweight speedster like Wright in the 'feature' back rotation?
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Re: Whoever Is Strongest And Most Durable
At navy PJ rotated the slot backs alot. In total 3-4 slot backs got around 5-6 carries each. Putting you at 18-24 carries a game from the SB position. Another 12+ from QB and 12-15+ from B-back.
The SB's also catch passes and run routes.
Point is...the SB isn't just 2 guys...its like 4...and the wealth is spread. They don't block like traditional blocking...IF they block...its running down field cutting a LB or S on a CrackBack ....not head up take a blow blocking. You need someone shifty to do that.
At navy PJ rotated the slot backs alot. In total 3-4 slot backs got around 5-6 carries each. Putting you at 18-24 carries a game from the SB position. Another 12+ from QB and 12-15+ from B-back.
The SB's also catch passes and run routes.
Point is...the SB isn't just 2 guys...its like 4...and the wealth is spread. They don't block like traditional blocking...IF they block...its running down field cutting a LB or S on a CrackBack ....not head up take a blow blocking. You need someone shifty to do that.
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#3 observation (from the limited amount of option games I've seen.):
Since the defense is forced to play assignment football. Most of the tackles seem to be of the solo/open field variety. With the exception of the featured back going up the middle, I don't recall a whole lot of pile-on tackles like TC took this year (or Reggie took running the QB draw the year before). Does this allow you to use lighter/faster backs?
Since the defense is forced to play assignment football. Most of the tackles seem to be of the solo/open field variety. With the exception of the featured back going up the middle, I don't recall a whole lot of pile-on tackles like TC took this year (or Reggie took running the QB draw the year before). Does this allow you to use lighter/faster backs?
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The feature back, when successful, has to break a lot of arm tackles, so mass is more important than shiftiness in ypc. And when the run does not go anywhere, they take a pop. (This includes both carries and faked carries.) So by the end of the game, they are hit quite a few times. You don't want a lightweight getting killed at that position.
I think Roddy Jones may be the ideal, perfect slotback, or close to it, but I don't expect him to exceed 50 ypg during a typical conference game.
The feature back, when successful, has to break a lot of arm tackles, so mass is more important than shiftiness in ypc. And when the run does not go anywhere, they take a pop. (This includes both carries and faked carries.) So by the end of the game, they are hit quite a few times. You don't want a lightweight getting killed at that position.
I think Roddy Jones may be the ideal, perfect slotback, or close to it, but I don't expect him to exceed 50 ypg during a typical conference game.
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I mean the real reason is since the option hits the edges so quickly, the tackles are typically S, CBs, and LBs. Rarely is it a DT or DE if the ball is pitched.
So the point is...since its on the edge; a smaller back can deal with that type of physicalness more than if he ran up the gut in I-form.
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The feature backs have to be big to take the pounding. The offense is about sharing the ball around.
The A-Backs don't get that many touches but every time they get the ball it's a potential home run. They make the most big plays on the team.
These are the career stats of the Navy A-backs who had 1000+ career yards from scrimmage under Paul Johnson. Check out the yards per rush and yards per reception. I'll take some of that, thank you very much!
Name..............Rush...Avg..Recv...Avg
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Eric Roberts......1508...8.3..1213...23.3
Reggie Campbell...1793...7.7...830...21.3
Tony Lane.........1103..10.5...324...16.2
Shun White........1219...9.4...171...15.5
Marco Nelson.......640...8.5...396...24.8
Zerbin Singleton...678...7.1...323...20.2
The A-Backs don't get that many touches but every time they get the ball it's a potential home run. They make the most big plays on the team.
These are the career stats of the Navy A-backs who had 1000+ career yards from scrimmage under Paul Johnson. Check out the yards per rush and yards per reception. I'll take some of that, thank you very much!
Name..............Rush...Avg..Recv...Avg
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Eric Roberts......1508...8.3..1213...23.3
Reggie Campbell...1793...7.7...830...21.3
Tony Lane.........1103..10.5...324...16.2
Shun White........1219...9.4...171...15.5
Marco Nelson.......640...8.5...396...24.8
Zerbin Singleton...678...7.1...323...20.2
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Re: Whoever Is Strongest And Most Durable
Navy had two clear starting SB's getting most of the plays every year until 2007, when they've rotated three guys pretty evenly.
Plays per game this year:
SB: 17
BB: 23
QB: 21
Pass: 6
It's all about spreading the ball around. If GT passes 25% of the time it ought to look like:
SB: 15
BB: 20
QB: 17
Pass: 17
This would give the SB's more of the total offense. Each would lose a 6-10 yard carry per game, but gain a couple of 15-20 yard pass receptions.
Starting SB's could easily get 500 yards rushing, 500 yards receiving and a dozen TD's for the season, and a huge percentage of their touches will end up on Sportscenter.
Players are going to LOVE this position.
Navy had two clear starting SB's getting most of the plays every year until 2007, when they've rotated three guys pretty evenly.
Plays per game this year:
SB: 17
BB: 23
QB: 21
Pass: 6
It's all about spreading the ball around. If GT passes 25% of the time it ought to look like:
SB: 15
BB: 20
QB: 17
Pass: 17
This would give the SB's more of the total offense. Each would lose a 6-10 yard carry per game, but gain a couple of 15-20 yard pass receptions.
Starting SB's could easily get 500 yards rushing, 500 yards receiving and a dozen TD's for the season, and a huge percentage of their touches will end up on Sportscenter.
Players are going to LOVE this position.
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I agree that the QB will probably get less runs in top level Div 1 ball. It may not happen initially, but over the long haul the QB is just going to get beat up with that many carries.
