Mickey Andrews took out Hamilton 3 times...

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I just hope BALL survives because Mickey will try his best to take him out. Hamilton only finished his last game against FSU. ANd Shawn Jones was hit 50 times in 92, I still dont know how he survived that game. They will bring the house, so I just hope he survives so we have him for the rest of the year. He is a playmaker, but we need some more around him. The option does well vs. FSU, we just dont have the backs, and with that, they would just lay out Reggie evertime. So I wouldnt use it. I have no idea what to do on Offense vs. these guys. All we have is Reggie. What would anybody else do as far as offensive strategy?
 
Could we possibly see D-Bo take some snaps specifically for this reason?

After seeing Gailey open it up last week, I am excited to see what he will cook up for F$U.

Some triple option action?
 
The triple option is a high risk offense. It really has to have good timing between all concerned. It would be foolish to use the wide open option at this time.

I think you could use parts of it. Reggie could go wide and cut back inside, or he could just run the wide sweep a few times. I don't see him pitching out at this time. Who would he pitch to that has the speed to outrun the corners?

When he is running, he is not a sitting duck for them to injure.

The triple option would be too dangerous at this time. Some well placed passes and variation in the running game plus some good old fashioned defense is our best chance against them.

One thing has been proven over the years by North Carolina State and the few teams that have beaten FSU. They are more vulnerable to the long passes than the short passes.

Your best bet is to go deep on them and open up their defense. Many of the scores against FSU in the past have been the bomb by many of their opponents.

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I totally agree on the long passing vs FSU (previous thread on this)....if you goi back and look at the last 2 NCSU games (interesting that Amato would know how tobeat FSU huh ???
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-- they connected on a BUNCH of long passes - caught the safeties cheating up...I think its an area where Micky Andrews defences can be beat...One thing is for sure - against that defense, you won't win by dinking your way down the field in long drives - sooner or later that Defence will make a big play, get a turnover, and its especially hard to score in the red zone
 
The option will not work.

First, our backs are not even as fast as their linebackers.

Anything wide and they will run you down like deer.

Notre Dame has the formula vs. FSU, and Florida did the same thing vs. Miami - to beat a team with superior speed run straight ahead between the tackles.

Andrews is overrated as a defensive co. A sterling record like his is due to having some unbelievable talent year in and year out. It would be interesting to see how many NFL standouts there are from FSU. These guys just load up every year. On the defensive side anyway, their second team would do quite well in the ACC. Not a knock on Andrews, just a compliment to the talent.
 
Originally posted by The Gnome of Zurich:
I just hope BALL survives because Mickey will try his best to take him out. Hamilton only finished his last game against FSU. ANd Shawn Jones was hit 50 times in 92, I still dont know how he survived that game. They will bring the house, so I just hope he survives so we have him for the rest of the year. He is a playmaker, but we need some more around him. The option does well vs. FSU, we just dont have the backs, and with that, they would just lay out Reggie evertime. So I wouldnt use it. I have no idea what to do on Offense vs. these guys. All we have is Reggie. What would anybody else do as far as offensive strategy?
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">I agree that F$U's D is looking better than it has in the last couple of years but I still don't think they have the same caliber of DL (aside from Dockett, perhaps) that they had when they were pummeling QBs like Hamilton & Jones in the early to mid 90's.

Our offensive line has pass protected very well in the first 2 games allowing only 2 sacks (AUs DL & LBs are comparable to what we're going to see Sat night).
 
Originally posted by Father WASP:
The option will not work.

First, our backs are not even as fast as their linebackers.

Anything wide and they will run you down like deer.

Notre Dame has the formula vs. FSU, and Florida did the same thing vs. Miami - to beat a team with superior speed run straight ahead between the tackles.

Andrews is overrated as a defensive co. A sterling record like his is due to having some unbelievable talent year in and year out. It would be interesting to see how many NFL standouts there are from FSU. These guys just load up every year. On the defensive side anyway, their second team would do quite well in the ACC. Not a knock on Andrews, just a compliment to the talent.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">The option does not work against a D like F$Us but it still needs to be used sparingly for a couple of reasons:

1) Just to keep it in the back of Andrew's (and the players) minds.

2) To set up other plays. If they line up and fake the option and the LBs and Safeties bite, then it could open up something downfield or at least across the middle for the TEs. Friedgen and Hamilton made this work over and over again.
 
Originally posted by TIAR,B:
Gnome, unless I am mistaken, I remember GO'L specifically stating that the 3 times Hamilton was taken out were *not* on running plays - that he was injured passing.

I think it gives credence to the notion of putting Ball in motion to avoid the straight shot.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Good point - There's a diffence between running the ball and being able to aviod direct hits vs. sitting back in the pocket and getting drilled. Hopefully, our OL can continue their good pass protection to minimize this.

I think what most folks are worried about is what happens in the pile once he's been tackled - I don't think we should abandon any part of the game plan because we "feel" that F$U will play dirty after the whistle.
 
Originally posted by TIAR,B:
Gnome, unless I am mistaken, I remember GO'L specifically stating that the 3 times Hamilton was taken out were *not* on running plays - that he was injured passing.

I think it gives credence to the notion of putting Ball in motion to avoid the straight shot.

Frisgen used to say that to beat F$U you had to get them on the edges, where they are a man-press cover team.

I thought we had an *outstanding* game plan last year on offense, particularly in light of our offensive weaknesses. Last year, the toss sweep to the field side seemed very effective with Clinkscales and his speed. I would sort of expect to see Woods utilized in this role. I hope we *do* see some early option. Obviously anything slowly developing will be tough - but you do have to run the counters some to set up play-action.

IMO, to have a chance, our WRs have to do *much* better at 1-on-1, we have done a lousy job of getting off of press coverage. Hoping to see #8 in the slot - he's too strong to be pressed.

And our 3rd down play calling/execution has got to improve.

All in one idiots opinion, of course!
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">All good points, but really only have Curry and Smith. Smith better within the 15 yards and Curry better long, although not as fast as Lekeldrick Bridges was. So we really dont have much speed, and Smith did have a hard time with Auburn Corners. So you are right, we should run some option. I just know that any turnovers will kill us this week. Woods and PJ have got to hold on to the ball. What about J. Smith getting into the mix to get him the ball? May be too obvious. We just dont have the fire power now like we had a couple of years ago, even last year (except for Ball)All I know is we have a playmaker and it does have to center around him.
 
This is a different team than the past. We need to beat FSU with the defense and not turning the ball over. Just like we did against Auburn.

The option will not work as a game plan against FSU. The almighty Ralph Friegden showed that last week. I can see mixing it in like last week but that is it.
 
the difference can be Reggie's quick release. If we can give him a few secs I think he can get their lb's on their hills.

Understand that AU's D is suppose to be as good as F$U's.

And everyone kept saying how AU's D did not play bad in that USC loss.
 
If our O Line can play up to their experience level, we should be fine. Surrender a hold if you have to protect the QB. I wouldn't let anybody get a free shot to the QB, keep the fullback close for blocking, Foshi will have to take out the corners and safties. Our RB's need to gain at least 100 in this game to keep FSU from being able to T off on Ball. Run right past 'em.
 
To contact's point - what play did we score the first TD in '99 (80 yrd pass to Dez)??

Why it was an Option Pass, where we lined up in the wing formation, and Joey pulled back and lofted about a 15 yd pass to Dez. All the safeties were pulled in, and it was an easy sprint to the endzone.

Unfortunately, I don't think running the straight option twice a game (I think i counted 2 times we ran it - with good success - against AU) is enough to set up that sort of play. The safeties have to be thinking option 1st to get pulled in that tight.

At this point, i think we would be running the straight option for sucess on its own merits - don't forget, the front 7 for AU is not chopped liver - probably 5 of those guys will be playing on Sunday.
 
Maybe we better block a little better for Reggie than we did for Joe. Also, I wouldn't mind our "D" stroking Rix a few times!! Maybe he'll start having nervous feet.

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Gnome, unless I am mistaken, I remember GO'L specifically stating that the 3 times Hamilton was taken out were *not* on running plays - that he was injured passing.

I think it gives credence to the notion of putting Ball in motion to avoid the straight shot.

Frisgen used to say that to beat F$U you had to get them on the edges, where they are a man-press cover team.

I thought we had an *outstanding* game plan last year on offense, particularly in light of our offensive weaknesses. Last year, the toss sweep to the field side seemed very effective with Clinkscales and his speed. I would sort of expect to see Woods utilized in this role. I hope we *do* see some early option. Obviously anything slowly developing will be tough - but you do have to run the counters some to set up play-action.

IMO, to have a chance, our WRs have to do *much* better at 1-on-1, we have done a lousy job of getting off of press coverage. Hoping to see #8 in the slot - he's too strong to be pressed.

And our 3rd down play calling/execution has got to improve.

All in one idiots opinion, of course!
 
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