Neuheisel's '97 CU team finished 0-11 because of cheating

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They played with ineligible players in his third year. For that, the team was stripped of their 5-6 record and given a 0-11 record.

At CU he inherited a powerhouse and went from winning 10 a year with McCartney's players to 5-6 and then 8-4 before leaving for "Greener" pastures with the NCAA in hot pursuit.

At Washington, he won 7, 11, 8 and 7 games.

The longer he stays at a program, the worse the record gets. He could probably do pretty well here for two years, but then pull something sketchy get the N-C-A-A sniffing around again and leave us with 6-7 wins a year.

This isn't a football factory like CU or Udub
 
burn him at the stake! we shouldn't allow such a bad character on the campus!

matter of fact, let's not give anyone a 2nd chance, to hell with all of 'em.

We'll coach ourselves!!!!
 
so it's ok to cheat as long as we win?

I thought we stood for something more.

What's the difference between us and them if not integrity?
 
I think there was a bit of a difference in what made the one player at Colorado ineligible and what made the Tech 11 ineligble.

The rule we broke wasn't even in place at the time of the Colorado infraction.
 
They played with ineligible players in his third year. For that, the team was stripped of their 5-6 record and given a 0-11 record.

At CU he inherited a powerhouse and went from winning 10 a year with McCartney's players to 5-6 and then 8-4 before leaving for "Greener" pastures with the NCAA in hot pursuit.

At Washington, he won 7, 11, 8 and 7 games.

The longer he stays at a program, the worse the record gets. He could probably do pretty well here for two years, but then pull something sketchy get the N-C-A-A sniffing around again and leave us with 6-7 wins a year.

This isn't a football factory like CU or Udub

In my opinion, his record doesn't appear to be so strong as to want to take a chance with the ethics.

I also question his recruiting ties to the area.
 
I hope i am wrong but, i see Neuheisel as the HIRE FROM HELL.
 
I think there was a bit of a difference in what made the one player at Colorado ineligible and what made the Tech 11 ineligble.

The rule we broke wasn't even in place at the time of the Colorado infraction.


The rule that ineligible athletes are not supposed to participate?:laugher:
 
Here is a good article if anyone is wanting to read about Rick. Look guys I am not supporting him or saying he is the front runner at the time, just lookin for everyone to look into things and then gain an opinion on the coaches. Everyone does things they regret. Rick started out as a young 33 year old cocky coach. He is 46 now, maybe he has learned maybe not, Dan will make that decision. Anyways just read, maybe you will learn some things, maybe not. Maybe you will dislike him more after its just a good read to get to understand what happened with one of our potential candidates.

I think all the candidates have pros and cons they bring to the table, now we just have to establish which one would help Tech achieve the success this fanbase is aching for.


check it out:http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_38_223/ai_55882018/pg_1


In Neuheisers third season, the Buffaloes went 5-6, before the inadvertent use of an insignificant, but ineligible, player forced the Buffs to forfeit the five victories. The 8-4 record last season, including an Aloha Bowl victory over Oregon, didn't dissipate the criticism.

Yet Neuheisel did a better job than Coloradans give him credit for, especially because the Buffs' upper classes were mediocre and thin the past two seasons. Thanks to his staff's recruiting, the program was on the ascent again when Washington athletic director Barbara Hedges run him through a secret interview in front of an advisory committee, then threw out a financial package that had Neuheisel thinking he'd look good in purple.

What Buffs fans don't realize--and what his new Pac-10 opponents fear--is this: If Rick Neuheisel has learned his lessons, he is a great college football coach waiting to happen.
 
Here is a good article if anyone is wanting to read about Rick. Look guys I am not supporting him or saying he is the front runner at the time, just lookin for everyone to look into things and then gain an opinion on the coaches. Everyone does things they regret. Rick started out as a young 33 year old cocky coach. He is 46 now, maybe he has learned maybe not, Dan will make that decision. Anyways just read, maybe you will learn some things, maybe not. Maybe you will dislike him more after its just a good read to get to understand what happened with one of our potential candidates.

I think all the candidates have pros and cons they bring to the table, now we just have to establish which one would help Tech achieve the success this fanbase is aching for.


check it out:http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_38_223/ai_55882018/pg_1


In Neuheisers third season, the Buffaloes went 5-6, before the inadvertent use of an insignificant, but ineligible, player forced the Buffs to forfeit the five victories. The 8-4 record last season, including an Aloha Bowl victory over Oregon, didn't dissipate the criticism.

Yet Neuheisel did a better job than Coloradans give him credit for, especially because the Buffs' upper classes were mediocre and thin the past two seasons. Thanks to his staff's recruiting, the program was on the ascent again when Washington athletic director Barbara Hedges run him through a secret interview in front of an advisory committee, then threw out a financial package that had Neuheisel thinking he'd look good in purple.

What Buffs fans don't realize--and what his new Pac-10 opponents fear--is this: If Rick Neuheisel has learned his lessons, he is a great college football coach waiting to happen.

Having read all that and other things, I still believe and even more so, that NEUHEISEL would be a homerun if we scored him, while maybe Hatcher would be a triple and Edsal a double...Anyways, we have 3 great prospects in these 3.
 
They played with ineligible players in his third year. For that, the team was stripped of their 5-6 record and given a 0-11 record.

You really need to delve deeper into Neuheisel before bashing him. I can understand misgivings as his record is certainly not perfect, but it is clear that most of the RN bashers are not fully informed.

In this case it was ONE player, and it was a bureaucratic error in the registrar's office that Neuheisel had NOTHING to do with. It was considerably more innocuous than the similar but much more widespread problems that landed GT on probation.

From the New York Times:

"Colorado has forfeited all five football victories in 1997 after acknowledging an ineligible player participated in games. Darren Fisk, a fullback and linebacker, was in his fourth year of competition, but it was his sixth year of college enrollment, which violated National Collegiate Athletic Association rules.
Athletic Director Richard Tharp said Fisk was allowed to participate because of an error in record-keeping by the registrar's office. Colorado's 1997 record fell to 0-11 from 5-6. (AP)."

Link:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E07E3DF1730F934A35750C0A96E958260

At CU he inherited a powerhouse and went from winning 10 a year with McCartney's players to 5-6 and then 8-4 before leaving for "Greener" pastures with the NCAA in hot pursuit.

This is once again an exaggeration. Colorado received a very light probation four years after he left and it is clear that what he was doing was fairly common practice. He got caught speeding too many times, not running a crack house.

Moreover, he did not get into any trouble for recruiting problems at Washington.

Gary Barnett is much more responsible for Colorado's problems than Rick Neuheisel is. Barnett had bigger infractions, and an inferior record over a 7 year span so it can't be blamed on Neuheisel's recruiting.

In fact if you check the depth chart of Barnett's best team in 2001, it was a team laden with seniors and rs-juniors, with most of the key players being Neuheisel's recruits including QB Pesevanto and RB Cortlien Johnson.

It wasn't Neuheisel that got those programs into shambles, it was awful hires after he left combined with AD mismanagement. Barnett because he was dirty, and Keith Gilbertson because he was not a good coach.

The longer he stays at a program, the worse the record gets. He could probably do pretty well here for two years, but then pull something sketchy get the N-C-A-A sniffing around again and leave us with 6-7 wins a year.

That may be.

But a couple of really good seasons followed by a return to where we have been recently -- 6-7 wins with the NCAA sniffing around -- still sounds like a big improvement to me.

And by the way, the probation we got after O'Leary was much worse than what Colorado got for Neuheisel.

If you add up Neuheisel's total resume, he had five seasons about like Gailey or O'Leary pre- and post-Friedgen, and he had three seasons that would be comparable to GT's three best seasons since the 1950's: 1998, 1990, and 1966.

I don't know about you, but that sounds pretty awesome to me.
GT fans would be ecstatic and walking on cloud nine if Neuheisel posted the record at GT that he did at CU and U-Dub.

He's got a better and cleaner record than O'Leary, and for most GT fans the recent glory years are the O'Leary years.

This isn't a football factory like CU or Udub

Of course it is. Or at least it has serious designs to become one.

Stanford, NU, Vandy, Wake and other academically excellent non-football-factories just do not fire squeaky-clean winning coaches for not winning enough. Period.

The clear aim is to make us a big time program, otherwise why fire Gailey?
 
You really need to delve deeper into Neuheisel before bashing him. I can understand misgivings as his record is certainly not perfect, but it is clear that most of the RN bashers are not fully informed.

In this case it was ONE player, and it was a bureaucratic error in the registrar's office that Neuheisel had NOTHING to do with. It was considerably more innocuous than the similar but much more widespread problems that landed GT on probation.

From the New York Times:

"Colorado has forfeited all five football victories in 1997 after acknowledging an ineligible player participated in games. Darren Fisk, a fullback and linebacker, was in his fourth year of competition, but it was his sixth year of college enrollment, which violated National Collegiate Athletic Association rules.
Athletic Director Richard Tharp said Fisk was allowed to participate because of an error in record-keeping by the registrar's office. Colorado's 1997 record fell to 0-11 from 5-6. (AP)."

Link:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E07E3DF1730F934A35750C0A96E958260



This is once again an exaggeration. Colorado received a very light probation four years after he left and it is clear that what he was doing was fairly common practice. He got caught speeding too many times, not running a crack house.

Moreover, he did not get into any trouble for recruiting problems at Washington.

Gary Barnett is much more responsible for Colorado's problems than Rick Neuheisel is. Barnett had bigger infractions, and an inferior record over a 7 year span so it can't be blamed on Neuheisel's recruiting.

In fact if you check the depth chart of Barnett's best team in 2001, it was a team laden with seniors and rs-juniors, with most of the key players being Neuheisel's recruits including QB Pesevanto and RB Cortlien Johnson.

It wasn't Neuheisel that got those programs into shambles, it was awful hires after he left combined with AD mismanagement. Barnett because he was dirty, and Keith Gilbertson because he was not a good coach.



That may be.

But a couple of really good seasons followed by a return to where we have been recently -- 6-7 wins with the NCAA sniffing around -- still sounds like a big improvement to me.

And by the way, the probation we got after O'Leary was much worse than what Colorado got for Neuheisel.

If you add up Neuheisel's total resume, he had five seasons about like Gailey or O'Leary pre- and post-Friedgen, and he had three seasons that would be comparable to GT's three best seasons since the 1950's: 1998, 1990, and 1966.

I don't know about you, but that sounds pretty awesome to me.
GT fans would be ecstatic and walking on cloud nine if Neuheisel posted the record at GT that he did at CU and U-Dub.

He's got a better and cleaner record than O'Leary, and for most GT fans the recent glory years are the O'Leary years.



Of course it is. Or at least it has serious designs to become one.

Stanford, NU, Vandy, Wake and other academically excellent non-football-factories just do not fire squeaky-clean winning coaches for not winning enough. Period.

The clear aim is to make us a big time program, otherwise why fire Gailey?

Thank you Golden tornado...Well said!
 
Oh and by the way, in those last two "bad" seasons at Washington, as huge underdogs, Neuheisel beat two 9-1, top ten Wazzu teams coached by Mike Price.

In other words he tore their hearts out and stomped on them.

Translate his 8-year record to GT and he would EASILY be the best overall coach here since Bobby Dodd.

I also have to ask: if Neuheisel is really that big of a scumbag as a person, among people who really know him, would the founder of Focus on the Family have hired him as his OC and left him as the heir apparent?

Gary Barnett was the Jim Grobe of Northwestern with a stellar and squeaky clean reputation, and he turned out to be far worse than Neuheisel. Things are not always as they appear.
 
Not that I support Knuckleheiser but while we are on the subject...

I do remember that he took great personal enjoyment in stomping the ever-loving dog duty out of his rivals.
 
Please read this article, especially the last half...

http://www.slate.com/id/2084437/

From Neuheisel's perspective, the great advantage of job mobility is that it allows him to stay one step ahead of the posse. After he left Colorado, the NCAA discovered 51 violations committed during his tenure, slapping the school with two years of probation. The American Football Coaches Association formally censured him for a lack of remorse. Neuheisel later described his approach to NCAA rules as "creative."

I don't want this POS at Tech...he record isn't even that impressive as far as winning goes.
 
By the way, the record of the coach in Washington Neuheisel was 7-4 x3, 9-3, 8-4 and 6-6. Neuheisel then went 7-5, 11-1, 8-4 and 7-6. Not great, I suppose, but he did much better than his predecessor. He also campaigned very hard to keep his job, contrary to the accusation that he willingly left both jobs before they went down the tubes.

Not that I'm a complete RN supporter either. Him and Muschamp just seem like such unproven quantities at this point. Not really sure what to think.
 
I also have to ask: if Neuheisel is really that big of a scumbag as a person, among people who really know him, would the founder of Focus on the Family have hired him as his OC and left him as the heir apparent?

Wha you talkin bout Willis? I don't think James Dobson has anything to do with CU football. You might be thinking of Bill McCartney, who founded Promise Keepers.
 
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