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1. OSU
2. Michigan
3. USC
4. Florida
5. ND

Looks like a re-match in the BCS champ. It is going to be interesting how the numbers will fall out after ND-USC.

Top ACC
16. GT
17. VT
18. BC
 
I think USC will go after(if) they beat ND. They aren't behind by very much and I think that quality win will push them over the top.
 
mostly depends on what USC does this Saturday

if they win, I would think most coaches will put them #2 for both emotional and logical reasons.

Logical - They will have the most big wins of any team in the country.

emotional - they don't want a repeat.

The GT game matters to some teams also. ND's best win is against GT which helps their SOS. Also, a Ugag win over GT will help both SEC teams quite a bit. The SEC needs to go 3-0 this week for either SEC team to make up much ground.

If USC wins, I assume they'll be right at #2 in the computers with MICH and #2 in both human polls sending MICH to the Rose Bowl.

I'm not a playoff advocate but if you are you don't want MICH to advance as they had their playoff game and lost. In a real 16 game playoff they would be in but in most scenarios with 6-8 teams, how could they be in?

MICH played their playoff game as USC did last night and this coming week.

What will be interesting is if FL can somehow get to #3 and USC is #2. Then the fun will begin but I doubt UF can overtake the wolverines unless the southern voters let the emotional override the logical.

I don't see MICH staying #2 unless ND wins this Saturday as the human element will make sure thast doesn't happen and the computers may swing that way also.
 
Re: mostly depends on what USC does this Saturday

thwg said:
The GT game matters to some teams also. ND's best win is against GT which helps their SOS. Also, a Ugag win over GT will help both SEC teams quite a bit. The SEC needs to go 3-0 this week for either SEC team to make up much ground.
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Of course, Michigan already beat Notre Dame 47-21 and beat #9 Wisconsin 27-13 handing them their only loss.
 
Michigan is just .0075 ahead of USC. Looking at the computer polls, all six have Ohio State at number 1, five have Michigan at 2 and one has USC at 2.

Now, if USC beats ND, that could sway both computers and pollsters to their side. By my calculations, with one computer switching sides and every vote remaining the same, the score becomes:

Michigan - .9230
USC - .9221

A .0009 difference. Just a couple of changed minds within the polls will put USC at number 2 with that kind of difference. With two or more computers changing sides, then it becomes even more certain that USC will go into number 2.

So, I'm just going to root like crazy for USC against ND and UCLA. While Ohio State and Michigan are definitely the two best teams in the country, I just don't want to see a rematch in the national championship game.
 
Well, what I like about Michigan staying #2 is that it would appear that there is no way, even if they topple USC, for Notre Dame to play in the BCS Championship game.

It shouldn't happen anyway, Michigan kicked their tails, and now it looks like it won't.
 
i hate this whole "good loss" argument. WTF is a freaking good loss. A loss is a loss is a loss is as loss, whether you loss by 2 and 200. You should never get credit for lossing. Last time i checked "You play to win the game!!!"

That's one of the bad things about human polls, too much emotion gets put into it.

Regardless, USC wins out they are in. UM and OSU don't play again until their bowls. USC has 2 more games to play. Not possible for USC to beat a top 5 team and state rival and not be ahead of UM by a large margin.

UF as well has 2 games left to play, a state rival and a game against a top 6 team. They'd get there before UM would simply because more folks would rather see a big ten v. sec title game then a big ten rematch. They could hype it up as a game to see "which conference is the best, once and for all"

UM would beat out every other team though.
 
Re: mostly depends on what USC does this Saturday

thwg said:
I'm not a playoff advocate but if you are you don't want MICH to advance as they had their playoff game and lost. In a real 16 game playoff they would be in but in most scenarios with 6-8 teams, how could they be in?
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Bob Davie made the best point he has ever made yesterday, imo.
He said rather astutely that if there was a playoff, both Mich and OSU would have probably rested their starters yesterday.
I know those two teams are unique this year and so was #1 playing #2, but something I had never considered.

Kind of like conference basketball tournaments not being played full tilt by already highly seeded ncaa tourney teams.
 
It is going to be interesting how the numbers will fall out after ND-USC.
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Really looking forward to watching this game. Quinn and ND's offense can be explosive at times so I would not rule them out in the game just yet.
 
Usc should be the only other team with a remote chance of getting in. If und somehow is "placed" in the championship game, the system is a farce.
 
Pocket: Just for clarification purposes, I'm not even remotely suggesting that ND would, or should, ever make it to the MNC game. Only that they could possibly keep USC from playing in it unless USC brings their A game against the Irish.
 
Yeah, I kind of sensed that, but couldn't stop myself from lobbying one more time against the ish.
Sorry about that.
 
for all you Irish haters

will you quit griping about the Irish? they have like .01% chance of getting in? They have been ranked approriately all year. they can't overtake Michigan so relax and pull for Usc or whoever you want or don't want to win.

FL and ARK will lobby the southern voters hard to get a one loss SEc team in over a 1 loss Pac 10 team but that's about the only other scenario where MICH nor USC won't play OSU.

ND simply has not shot so don't worry abouy it one more second. Now, if you really hate the SEC, pull for the ACC this weekend and epseically the Jackets as those wins could propel an SEC to #3 in the computers and all the SEC loyalists would have to do is get the humans to vote the SEC team #2.

But ND has no chance.
 
Re: for all you Irish haters

thwg said:
They have been ranked approriately all year.
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No, they haven't.
Plus, if Michigan had won yesterday, und would have been given a shot by beating SC.
 
Folks think about this, The majority of the VOTES come from the midwest WHO do you think those votes are going to favor? UM , OSU, ND or what ever midwest team is that is in the mix.
 
Re: for all you Irish haters

pocket_watch said:
No, they haven't.
Plus, if Michigan had won yesterday, und would have been given a shot by beating SC.
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When has ND not been ranked where they deserved to be since the loss to MICH?

the fell after their win over GT and stayed the same after they shellacked PSU. They hovered between 8-10 most of the year and are #5/#6 now being 10-1. ND has been and still is ranked appropriately and they would be ranked the exact same today if MICH had narrowly escaped columbus yesterday.

MICH needs to be thankful they scored a late TD of else FL and ARK would have a legit chance to beat them out with a USC loss.

If ND is as bad as you seem to think they are, then they will get blown out by USC this week and you can be happy but if you're going to disagree please give some reason why or else this place is nothing more than the Hive.
 
Re: for all you Irish haters

thwg said:
If ND is as bad as you seem to think they are, then they will get blown out by USC this week and you can be happy but if you're going to disagree please give some reason why or else this place is nothing more than the Hive.
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I never said und was bad. They are a good football team, but merely good football teams don't have any business lurking around the top spot, unless of course that team is ND.
They beat a previously unranked Tech team and a very average PSU team, before getting destroyed at home against their only true measuring stick before Nov. 25th.
I have no problem honoring them for winning the Commander's Cup this year, but that is it.

Of course they would never have been in this position unless it was preordained before the season. No way did und deserve its opening ranking. The horse has been beaten to a pulp regarding who they actually beat last year. Carrying that list thru to this year, the ish's biggest wins over the last 2 seasons to date have been over a 7-4 UM last year, Tech and PSU this year. Go back and look at the und bowl experience over the last 10 years too.

If the Irish lovers would just come out and say.."we know we don't deserve this", I wouldn't harp on it.
 
In ND's defense, I will say that we would also be somewhere in the top 10 if we only had one loss at this point.

The talent's starting to come together for USC. My money's on them easily beating ND and UCLA and going to Glendale instead of Michigan.

And then, of course, getting destroyed by Ohio State, because they are far and away the best team in the nation this year.
 
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