next year success a must for recruiting

dressedcheeseside

dressedcheeseside

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I think next years performance is pivotal to the state of the program. Top highschool prospects will be watching to see if CPJ's offense translates to D1.

As much as we all seem to be confident in CPJ's system, there's still a lot of doubt in the minds of the athletes as we've seen multiple lost recruits and defections.

Therefore it is crucial for us to have a strong year if we want to have a shot at the "big boys" for the '09 class. If not, we'll have to play are hand with the "diamonds in the rough" and "slip through the cracks" type players for a while.
 
I think you're completely misreading what's been going on. Kids aren't worried about whether the offense will work or not, they're worried about what their role in it would be. If WRs see an opportunity to excel in the system, they'll come no matter what our on field results are. So will other players.
 
This post is bunk. Chan's NFL system and PJ's "WTF O" are just plain different, nothing else. There is a painful transition going on and quite frankly just about every single event that has occurred the last two months are completely not surprising.

The key to next year is quarterback play. But that's the same key to our team every single year. Recruits and h.s. coaches understand transition, particularly the massive change a quarterback has to make.

Our success in recruiting next year will have more to do with the number of players available in high schools that PJ or other coaches have access currently.
 
dressedcheeseside said:
I think next years performance is pivotal to the state of the program. Top highschool prospects will be watching to see if CPJ's offense translates to D1.

As much as we all seem to be confident in CPJ's system, there's still a lot of doubt in the minds of the athletes as we've seen multiple lost recruits and defections.

Therefore it is crucial for us to have a strong year if we want to have a shot at the "big boys" for the '09 class. If not, we'll have to play are hand with the "diamonds in the rough" and "slip through the cracks" type players for a while.
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Belichik likes Paul Johnson's style. Maybe because his dad was a coach at the Naval Academy, but probably for other reasons as well. Check what is being said about the Patriots right now--the coaching staff is the best at coaching the players the correct techniques and the correct way in which to play the individual positions. If that is where Belichik and staff are known to excel, then I think it is reasonable to conclude that Belichik's admiration of Paul Johnson may be rooted in his recognition that Paul Johnson has proven to be able to coach all the cogs in the machine to do their individual assignments well. We shall see.
 
dressedcheeseside said:
I think next years performance is pivotal to the state of the program. Top highschool prospects will be watching to see if CPJ's offense translates to D1.

As much as we all seem to be confident in CPJ's system, there's still a lot of doubt in the minds of the athletes as we've seen multiple lost recruits and defections.

Therefore it is crucial for us to have a strong year if we want to have a shot at the "big boys" for the '09 class. If not, we'll have to play are hand with the "diamonds in the rough" and "slip through the cracks" type players for a while.
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Agree and disagree.

The Class of 2009 appears to be loaded. We need to get our share. If we rock in 2008 we certainly have a very good chance of landing the players we target.

The disagreement is that we probably won't go after the same offensive players as the 'big boys' and therefore we won't have a shot at the 'big boys' of guru recruiting lists. We don't really want 350lb linemen or Cox/Greene/Chucker types. We won't recruit WRs based on yardage numbers or number of catches or height. You get no stars for meanness/toughness. Our class won't be 'balanced' since we will take 3-4 RB every year, and probably 3-4 athlete-QBs a year. Only some of them will be huge, since that isn't key.

For instance Bohannan never minced words as far as what he wants. Run. That is what he wants. He didn't say they had to be 'big' or 'strong' or 'tall'. We will be looking for guys who can run. Some will be 'too short'. Some will be 'too light'. Some will play for the wrong teams and will never play in front of the gurus.

If we stink at recruiting LBs and DEs in 2008, then maybe we need to worry. But we may never get another 4 star lineman or WR and we will be just fine.
 
If you have been a GT fan for many years, transition problems have always existed. When Carson replaced Dodd, then Fulcher, Pepper, Curry, Ross, Lewis, O'leary, etc. there has always been problems, defections, decommittments, and other distractions. I may have the list of coaches out of order, but almost all suffered the first year or two. I think Curry had one win, Ross two and O'leary a few more, but it is tough and everyone needs to realize this as part of the Tech package. Change = adversity.
 
Also, I expect with an offense so dependent on running backs, we will really look deep for RBs. Most teams can identify a top target , land said player, and move on. We need to land 3 at least every year. We can't just identify one or two and if we only land one 'oh well'.

On the plus side we don't need to waste a lot of time evaluating TEs or FBs. The Offense seems to have only four positions. OL, RB, QB, and WR.
 
Look forward to a long series of "three star" recruiting classses on the offensive side of the ball, but that's because the guys we need don't fit the mold that gets them lots of 'stars.'

I'm cool with it.
 
dressedcheeseside said:
Aren't the A and B back two quite different type of RB's?
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Roughly the same as 'thunder and lightning' over at Clemson. Lots of teams have the 'change of pace' back.

Sometimes a back will fit A or B obviously but I think that we will take a lot of RBs not knowing where they will actually end up.

And are those two positions that much more different than Tackles, Guards and Centers are different?

What I am perhaps more curious about is if we will be able to tell who will be WRs during recruiting.
 
Well I just looked at Scout and with 17 commits at this point we are ranked 38th.

We had a 34th and 35rd along with 15th in the past 7 years, so this year as stands now is in the middle of the pack.

And thats with 8 schollies to give.
 
beej67 said:
Look forward to a long series of "three star" recruiting classses on the offensive side of the ball, but that's because the guys we need don't fit the mold that gets them lots of 'stars.'

I'm cool with it.
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yea this is correct. It is unlikely we will get 4/5 star athletes on offense. If you are a great option qb you do not get 4/5 stars.

No big deal. It is about w's and l's. If we can move up in that area that is what counts.

My concern is that even if we move up there is on so far this offense will take you, but I am open minded. It appear PJ is a smart guy and will make whatever adjustments needed to be successful.
 
law_bee said:
yea this is correct. It is unlikely we will get 4/5 star athletes on offense. If you are a great option qb you do not get 4/5 stars.

No big deal. It is about w's and l's. If we can move up in that area that is what counts.

My concern is that even if we move up there is on so far this offense will take you, but I am open minded. It appear PJ is a smart guy and will make whatever adjustments needed to be successful.
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he better be making them quick, he's already 50
 
that being said: I think I'm the only one who thinks the offense he ran @ Navy can win in BCS conferences. Most people seem to think that he is going to HAVE to change his offense to be successful. I don't think he has to at all, I think that offense can win big time ball games as long as you're recruiting well @ QB, RB, and the entire defense.
I'm ready for smash-mouth option football, I hope it's not that spread style option. The spread style is very effective, but I like the smash-mouth style better
 
law, why do you think there is a limit to this offense? PJ has said himself that he doesn't do everything you could do with it because he either hasn't had to or hasn't had the players to do it with. The simple fact is that, as fans, we have absolutely no clue what this offense can do, we only know we haven't seen anyone else running it.
 
Sounds like to me that this offense requires all cylinders to be working in perfect harmony for it to be successful. If one person misses their assignment, the play is defeated.

If that's the case, it will take quite a while to get it right. Things might seem to click in spring and fall camp, but there's no substitute for live competition. I remember Tater looking like Tom Brady and our receiving corps actually catching passes before the real games began.

Hopefully there's a shorter learning curve than what I expect and we have a soft early slate.
 
GTfanNBama said:
that being said: I think I'm the only one who thinks the offense he ran @ Navy can win in BCS conferences. Most people seem to think that he is going to HAVE to change his offense to be successful. I don't think he has to at all, I think that offense can win big time ball games as long as you're recruiting well @ QB, RB, and the entire defense.
I'm ready for smash-mouth option football, I hope it's not that spread style option. The spread style is very effective, but I like the smash-mouth style better
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I agree. Heck, look at the offense Nebraska ran in the 90's. That turned out pretty good for them if I recall.

We've spent a lot of time debating the pros and cons of these systems. However, I think the real key is that CPJ is a winner, and has been everywhere he's been. For now, I have faith that the necessary adjustments will be made to make this a successful program.
 
ncjacket said:
law, why do you think there is a limit to this offense? PJ has said himself that he doesn't do everything you could do with it because he either hasn't had to or hasn't had the players to do it with. The simple fact is that, as fans, we have absolutely no clue what this offense can do, we only know we haven't seen anyone else running it.
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I agree. No one knows what the offense will look like. Can the offense work in BCS conferences? YES. He will have to balance things out somewhat. How it looks? No one knows. I don't think CPJ will know until midway of 2008 season.
 
GTfanNBama said:
I'm ready for smash-mouth option football, I hope it's not that spread style option. The spread style is very effective, but I like the smash-mouth style better
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PJ's base formation is a spread alignment. There are big "spread's" between the OL's...and a lot of legal chop blocks.
 
And are those two positions that much more different than Tackles, Guards and Centers are different?
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Yes.

I think I'm the only one who thinks the offense he ran @ Navy can win in BCS conferences. Most people seem to think that he is going to HAVE to change his offense to be successful.
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Most people around here don't. I don't. I think his offense is going to work great, although I do foresee more passing just because people are going to load up more against us, opening the pass up more.

I'm ready for smash-mouth option football, I hope it's not that spread style option. The spread style is very effective, but I like the smash-mouth style better
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The flex is just a way to run the I veer (an old school smash staple) out of a spread formation. It's like "smash, but you don't see it coming," or rather, "smash, but we can also put 4 guys into the pattern, so you're screwed no matter how you defend it."

That's the theory anyway. I'm sure it'll work fine. The only thing I'm worried at all about is defense, because we as Tech fans are so used to big-play D. One thing that will be REALLY NICE for our defense is no more 3-and-outs. At Navy last year PJ only had something like three 3-and-outs ALL YEAR LONG. That's just sick.
 
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