NLRB to allow Players' Unions at private universities (LINK)

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And you thought N-I-L was gonna be bad?

This has been tried (& failed) at Florida about 1970 when the Gators' star players QB John Reaves & WR Carlos Alvarez et al tried to organize under HFC Doug Dickey. Mostly it was the players recruited by Ray Graves who rebelled vs Dickey, himself a former Gator.

It was NOT pretty.
 
JJacket said:
You should be able to unionize anything you want in a free country. It's a free country.
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Your Daddy was a union organizer wasn't he? You can only unionize a company you work for. Didn't a court just tell Northwestern's players they couldn't unionize in the past year or so?

I hope that the SCOTUS holds the NLRB in contempt of court.
 
Uncle Mike said:
I miss the days when college football players played football...
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Huh? College football players play more football than ever. There are more games in the regular season than ever before. There are more bowl games than ever before. And we will soon have an expanded playoff that will see the best college football teams play a schedule that resembles an NFL season in terms of number of games. You can go to open practices, see scrimmages, and watch spring games on TV. There's more college football played now than at any point in history, and it's never been more accessible to fans.

Why do college football players play more football than ever before? Because administrators want to sign even bigger TV contracts so they can pay themselves and their coaches even more money (and of course build players lazy rivers on campus -- fair's fair.)

So as long as the people running college football (read: not players) are upending 100+ year old traditions and changing the structure of the whole enterprise to ensure more and more money gets generated by this amateur sport, you don't have to worry about the days of college football players playing football ending -- you just have to worry about which of the dozens of games you have access to each fall Saturday you will watch.
 
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samsgt02 said:
And fire 'em. It's a free country.
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Tell you what wise Guy, let GT FB "fire" guys like Sims, Charlie Thomas, Gibbs, Biggers, Jared Ivey, et al, and wait and see what happens?

What do you think is gonna happen?

Anyone in line to "get fired" was likely gonna be in the transfer portal anyway, slated to land at a G5 or FCS program anyway

In summary, substantially equal to the same system we have now

The burden should not be placed on CFB & MBB to financially subsidize other Sports, other Sports need to bear the burden of being exciting and worthy of TV contracts, etc and generate their own Money (at least break-even)

As long as FB & MBB pays the freight for all the welfare Sports, players will want to get paid, as long as they are subsidizing other students the same age as they are, there is going to be conflict & controversy

It is a crappy system if you play FB or MBB and are "forced" to generate Money for other students

No one takes Corp Scholarship Money for Engineering Majors and redirects it to help out Women's Studies or Art History Majors, yet the same thing goes on in Athl Depts all over the Country and no one says a peep, all because of a corrupt Org. called the NCAA

The old model hasn't worked for at least 40 yrs, time to burn that thing to the embers and start over
 
SCOTUS had already exposed the NCAA and opened the door to many more lawsuits

SCOTUS wrote STTE of , you can't claim that your business model relies on unpaid Labor (amateurism), therefore we are running a legal business entity

SCOTUS told the entire world, that the NCAA's definition of amateurism is Shamateurirm
 
Uncle Mike said:
I miss the days when college football players played football...
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Every human has a right to stand up for themselves

In America every Human should have the right see what their value is in the free market, unless they freely choose a Union Job

The gig is up for the NCAA , good it was a corrupt Org anyway and this was a long time coming
 
coit said:
They are not employees of the school, and they do not receive a paycheck from the school.
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I'm not for Players Unions nor am I in favor of players being employees

The simple way to solve this is keep the Scholarships the same, but add enhanced stipends to go along with the Scholarship, that way they aren't salaried, but they do get a more fair distribution of the windfalls they generate for the Athl Depts

Being forced to subsidize money losing sports should not be the burden of FB & MBB , people are much too accepting of " well that's the way its always been"

Real simple:

If you want so-called amateurism, then demand every sport be standalone financially and be at least break-even

If you want want the current welfare system of money losing sports to continue to get subsidized by 2 Sports FB & MBB , then those 2 Sports should get NIL plus enhanced stipends

There's no reason for a Women's BB Coach at uga to make $900K per yr when women's basketball loses money each year - with this crap going on throughout the P5, it was only a matter of time before the Courts got involved
 
PressManCoverage said:
I'm not for Players Unions nor am I in favor of players being employees

The simple way to solve this is keep the Scholarships the same, but add enhanced stipends to go along with the Scholarship, that way they aren't salaried, but they do get a more fair distribution of the windfalls they generate for the Athl Depts

Being forced to subsidize money losing sports should not be the burden of FB & MBB , people are much too accepting of " well that's the way its always been"

Real simple:

If you want so-called amateurism, then demand every sport be standalone financially and be at least break-even

If you want want the current welfare system of money losing sports to continue to get subsidized by 2 Sports FB & MBB , then those 2 Sports should get NIL plus enhanced stipends

There's no reason for a Women's BB Coach at uga to make $900K per yr when women's basketball loses money each year - with this crap going on throughout the P5, it was only a matter of time before the Courts got involved
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Gotta blow up Title IX before dropping non-revenue generating sports scholarships.
 
Big Bubba Ray said:
Gotta blow up Title IX before dropping non-revenue generating sports scholarships.
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Yep. This is where one SJW cause meets another in a collision I guess. PressMan must be a football player joining us on Stingtalk. Welcome!

If you accept the ruling that players are employees, then you have to accept that they are just like all other university employees and drop the pretense of them being students. Its an irrevelant job requirement that they be students.
 
ramblinwise1 said:
Yep. This is where one SJW cause meets another in a collision I guess. PressMan must be a football player joining us on Stingtalk. Welcome!

If you accept the ruling that players are employees, then you have to accept that they are just like all other university employees and drop the pretense of them being students. Its an irrevelant job requirement that they be students.
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No sir, never played CFB, I wasn't good enough to play beyond HS.

I understand the legal entanglements that are triggered when you make these Athletes employees.

There would be no need for unions and employee status, if you simply kept the full scholarship like it is now, and then add an enhanced stipend on top of that, that way the Players get a better share of what they generate, and you hopefully avoid the Legal issues that arise when you become an employee.

Sometimes Unions are very good, not sure this is one of those instances.
 
I think it will be easier to show scholarship football players are employees than it would to deny it. The players have to show up at specific times, are told what to do, and receive compensation.
 
If I had more motivation, I would spearhead this union thing. May as well line my pockets. The players think the NCAA was screwing them, wait until the leeches start siphoning the money out of them under the guise of some sort of organization or otherwise. Only a matter of time before we hear the stories of college freshman who signed million dollar deals leaving school broke and how they got "screwed" with contracts that extend into NFL life. Lessons cost tuition I guess.

It hasn't even gotten to full swing yet, but introducing pay will continue to ruin CFB and most all college sports from what they have been since inception. The only real recourse is to have a straight from HS farm league for pay. Once the players go into D league they are pros and there isn't any backward movement.

The players never want to admit the colleges were preparing them for that next level, but they know 90% of them would be decimated if they walked onto an NFL field as a 180lb freshman. Instant gratification society at its finest.
 
gambler said:
If I had more motivation, I would spearhead this union thing. May as well line my pockets. The players think the NCAA was screwing them, wait until the leeches start siphoning the money out of them under the guise of some sort of organization or otherwise. Only a matter of time before we hear the stories of college freshman who signed million dollar deals leaving school broke and how they got "screwed" with contracts that extend into NFL life. Lessons cost tuition I guess.

It hasn't even gotten to full swing yet, but introducing pay will continue to ruin CFB and most all college sports from what they have been since inception. The only real recourse is to have a straight from HS farm league for pay. Once the players go into D league they are pros and there isn't any backward movement.

The players never want to admit the colleges were preparing them for that next level, but they know 90% of them would be decimated if they walked onto an NFL field as a 180lb freshman. Instant gratification society at its finest.
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HS->NFL farm league or true NFL minor league won't change anything.

As long as college football conferences are signing billion dollar TV contracts and paying coaches milliions of dollars, people will call foul on them openly agreeing to cap player compensation at or around the cost of education. And it looks like the courts will agree.
 
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