Now that this debacle is over....

MoverofFridge2

MoverofFridge2

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I think DR should send 2 very very clear messages to CCG.

1. Hire an offensive coordinator who has proven himself and on that is innovative. The OC should NOT be CCG.

2. MOST IMPORTANTLY - You damn sure better beat the leg humpers in 2007 or there could be consequences. I am realsitic enough to know this one will not happen, but CCG needs to understand the importance of beating "that school over yonder."
 
MoverofFridge2 said:
I think DR should send 2 very very clear messages to CCG.

1. Hire an offensive coordinator who has proven himself and on that is innovative. The OC should NOT be CCG.

2. MOST IMPORTANTLY - You damn sure better beat the leg humpers in 2007 or there could be consequences. I am realsitic enough to know this one will not happen, but CCG needs to understand the importance of beating "that school over yonder."
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While I agree with both of your points, personally, I think that DR, if he's going to make demands, should make them results based, like #2, and not meddle into the choosing of a staff, like #1.

Good managers do not dictate methods or staffing, they demand results and leave it up to their employees to figure out how to do it.

Just MHO...Mike
 
I think it's perfectly reasonable for DRad to dictate that Chan actually hire an OC from outside of the program. It's few and far between that a head coach can pull of the dual roles of HC/OC at the same time.

After Chan's offenses steadily declined the last few years before Nix took over, I think that was enough of a trial run to know that Chan doesn't need to be running the Tech offense.

Personally, I think DRad SHOULD mandate a new, innovative OC.

Also, Chan needs to fully understand that losing to UGA is not acceptable under any circumstances, and a loss next year will come with consequences.
 
TampaJacket said:
Good managers do not dictate methods or staffing, they demand results and leave it up to their employees to figure out how to do it.
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TJ, I don't know of a company around that lets lower level managers pick staffing levels. That is almost always determined by Senior management.

I have no problem with DRad handpicking the OC. In reality I hope he does it in consultation ith Gailey. No way should he let CG do it in a vacuum. Gailey has shown that he needs oversight for the sake of the program. Gailey has shown that given half a chance he would jump ship in a heartbeat.
 
ramblinwise1 said:
I have no problem with DRad handpicking the OC. In reality I hope he does it in consultation ith Gailey.
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Absolutely, Ramblin.
In fact, I hope Dan has the footballs to tell cg exactly what will be done in the "consultation".

One way or the other, Gailey is a short timer. This football program is or should be in Dan's hands now.
 
If the other post is correct about not having the money to get rid of Chan, then this thread is moot. Unless we fall off a cliff, we can't afford a buyout thanks to Braine and overextending the AA. Now is the time to rally behind Chan. Like it or not, he's here for 4 more years regardless of what happens against UGA.
 
GT1992 said:
If the other post is correct about not having the money to get rid of Chan, then this thread is moot. Unless we fall off a cliff, we can't afford a buyout thanks to Braine and overextending the AA. Now is the time to rally behind Chan. Like it or not, he's here for 4 more years regardless of what happens against UGA.
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My guess is that if it became obvious, like a 4-8 record next year, then the money to buy out Chan's contract would "suddenly" materialize.
 
ramblinwise1 said:
TJ, I don't know of a company around that lets lower level managers pick staffing levels. That is almost always determined by Senior management.

I have no problem with DRad handpicking the OC. In reality I hope he does it in consultation ith Gailey. No way should he let CG do it in a vacuum. Gailey has shown that he needs oversight for the sake of the program. Gailey has shown that given half a chance he would jump ship in a heartbeat.
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Tampa Jacket is right. Top level managers don't make compartmentalized hiring decisions for their top managers of their given departments. NEVER. That's about the LEAST ineffective way of management I have Ever heard.

DRad was hired to run the GTAA not Hire a football staff member. He may make suggestions, but ultimately that's left up to the Head coach and always should be.

Show me an athletic director who is going to get THAT involved with the football program and I'll show you a terrible program.
 
My point is simply....

that DRad should mandate that Gailey hire someone outside the program as a new OC. The offense needs a proven OC to come in, as well as a good person to develop QB's. We've got a very strong stable of QB's waiting to play. I personally don't want Chan as the person to develop them.

It's perfectly acceptable for DRad to put that qualifier on the OC position. And I'm sure DRad will make suggestions for it. I just don't want another failed attempt at Chan as OC/HC. Several interviews should be held, and the most qualified candidate should be hired to run the offense on his own terms. No offense to Chan, but I hope he takes a fairly "hands-off approach" to the offense this time around.
 
I agree CheWreck.
Furthermore, I don't see how DR will let things go back to "normal" with Chan. I hope he doesn't.
 
BarrelORum said:
Tampa Jacket is right. Top level managers don't make compartmentalized hiring decisions for their top managers of their given departments. NEVER. That's about the LEAST ineffective way of management I have Ever heard.

DRad was hired to run the GTAA not Hire a football staff member. He may make suggestions, but ultimately that's left up to the Head coach and always should be.

Show me an athletic director who is going to get THAT involved with the football program and I'll show you a terrible program.
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Apparently you can't read too well. I was commenting on the comment about establishing staffing levels. Gailey can't decide to have 30 assistants. I suspect it would require Gailey's supervisor's approval to deviate from the standard job descriptions (i.e. offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, etc.)

Now normally Gailey would be allowed to pick his OC as long as guidelines were met. But this is not a normal situation.
 
BarrelORum said:
Top level managers don't make compartmentalized hiring decisions for their top managers of their given departments. NEVER. That's about the LEAST ineffective way of management I have Ever heard.
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I always get a kick and a chuckle when posters try to interject "their management style" regarding how an athletic department should be run. Maybe it's fun to talk about your own beliefs in a non contract, right to work situation, but attempting to equate Dan's situation to most anything else in the real world is trying to compare apples to gorillas.

Chan Gailey is the Tech head coach today because of Dave Braine's pardon and because we don't have the money to fire him because of it.

Giving cg the reigns of this business again would be foolish and weak.
 
Sorry Ramblinwise, I misunderstood. Still doesn;t mean you have to be a condescending prick. Its easy to glance over threads without having to read every last detail.

And pocketwatch, I was agreeing with Tampa about what he said about management. I was hardly comparing. But that said, I'm a competent enough manager to know. Most everything I believe is practiced at every successful company and organization in some way or another. Its not like its management specific. But again, I digress, I couldn't possibly know what I'm talking about.
 
ramblinwise1 said:
I suspect it would require Gailey's supervisor's approval to deviate from the standard job descriptions (i.e. offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, etc.)

Now normally Gailey would be allowed to pick his OC as long as guidelines were met. But this is not a normal situation.
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Good point. A coach that just beat VT and Miami in the same season, while going 7-1 in the conference and taking his team to the ACCCG probably gets a little more leeway from his supervisor in deviating from the standard job descriptions. I doubt he'll take it though. He has the best intentions for the school at heart.
 
BarrelORum said:
But again, I digress, I couldn't possibly know what I'm talking about.
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I didn't say anything about your lack of being a great manager in your organization.
My only point was that it appears cg has the upper hand because of the contract extension. As his boss, I would have to be thinking succession plan as a top priority. As part of that planning, I would want to be involved in any other contracts that were being signed.
 
I agree. I've always enjoyed working harder than my competators with less support and much less money. And with the way the fan base supports Chan, it is total disloyal for him to inquire about other jobs. Also, most head coaches don't pick the coordinators, do they?
 
I assume the AD has to approve any contracts, especially if they are mutli year. I'm sure he and Chan are talking about plans for replacing Nix and probably talking about names of potential replacements. Or they will, as nailing down the recruiting class is priority #1 right now.

But I can't imagine that DRad will tell Chan who he should hire, just as I can't imagine Chan hiring someone DRad simply doesn't want on campus. In most companies, directors and managers work together...why would we expect anything less here?
 
Rad's Likely Input On Our Next OC

I think the most likely impact our AD will have on our next OC is setting the budget for the staff. Nix, per reports, made $175,000 a year.

I think Chan, if he wants to exceed the current budget, would have to have Rad sign off on it. I don't have any indication that Chan would get the budgetary authority from Rad to sign a Name that would please the internet community.

I am resigned to us hiring from within. Geis is the only current staff member that is qualified to coach quarterbacks or be the OC. Collins is on the road recruiting, which started when Nix left. The NCAA controls how many on-field coaches we can have, and only on-field coaches can make recruiting visits. So Collins is moved onto the field, and that is something he richly deserves and we will reap a generous bounty from that move.

This means that if we hire an outside OC, one of our current coaches would be fired, and I don't see that.

In other words, I think it is more likely that Rad will prevent Chan from hiring a Name OC than he would be to demand that he do so.
 
BarrelORum said:
Sorry Ramblinwise, I misunderstood. Still doesn;t mean you have to be a condescending prick. .
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I guess I resemble that remark.:laugher:
 
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