Offense meltdown today.....

ncjacket said:
It's always amazing to see who reacts to what around here. First, few who are posting here evidently saw the scrimmage. So we're reacting to what other people think they saw.

Second, according to those there, the OL was a patchwork affair due to minor injuries. Someone listed 4 OL who were held out. Not sure they were all first teamers, but the numbers were limited at least. The bickering was likely as much about having a mish/mash line trying to figure out Tenuta's blitz schemes. While that's not good news, it's also not surprising given what JT does to veteran lines.

Also, several posted in that thread that the plays run in the scrimmage bore little resemblance to what they've seen in practice. We went very vanilla for the scimmage.

All that said, we do have to rely on Reggie to improve over last year if we are to have the year we hope for. OR we have to be willing to pull the plug if he can't get it done. But it's way early for people to be throwing in the towel.
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I completely understand pre-season scrimmages and the differences in play-calling, injury protection, etc. However, I can think of few circumstances where 30 carries for 45 yards is acceptable...even if you told the defense you were going to run.

The way things are going with recruiting...and Chan stepping into a true head coach role...the only questions mark I have left is the OC and OL coach positions. With essentially all returning starters on the OL plus a 4-yr starter at QB...lets toss in an All-American WR and several good TB's...this is the year or I think we see a few more changes among the coaching spots I mentioned. Chan has everything else going in the right direction.

By putting Nix in a public role as 100% OC...and not the split duties of game plan/game plan execution in practice/play calling/etc....he is saying to Nix "show me what you can do". The OL showed improvement last year...but that must continue this year as well.
 
I have to agree. If the offense averages less than 22-27 ppg(at the minimum) with all the pieces we have returning then there should be an assisstant coach overhaul on the offensive end starting with the OC. If the Fridge could have us #1 in the nation in offense then why can't we find an OC to get us at least in the upper half? The pieces are there, now they need to just get it done.

Like people say, "Offense wins Games, Defense wins Championships"...But you wont win any championships if you don't win some damn games first.
 
There are a few problems with this thread.

We are getting info from 2 people think we have a DB named Kenny Smith. I don't think we have anybody at any position with that name.

We have a guy who thinks Coach D is equivalent to Dave Wilson. Coach D has done as much with less than any coach I've seen. The guy is outstanding. Wilson should have been ditched after the very first year.

Take all this for what it is. Well meaning GT fans who don't really know that much.

Although these guys on O are veterans, we are changing a lot as well, and we are very early in that process. It should be somewhat of a CF.

Then - we hear about the OL 'bickering.' Maybe they were simply communicating. That's what an OL does. It's ballet for guys that weigh 300lbs. They have to talk to each other a LOT, especially when new guys are all of a sudden in the rotation.

...and most of the ones that will lead our team were not on the field because of one injury or another - so how 'could' they know what was going on without speech? and I'm sure they were plenty pissed about the Tenuta-fest coming at them - hence the tone of voice.

Then you add more TE's than you expected to be healthy and ready, minus 'the' single competent FB in your formation, who was expected to play major role this year.

These things change formations even 'if' we had kept the exact same offense, which we have not.

And most of these changes happened the same week our O had the miserable performance we are discussing.

And it takes a long time to figure out blitzes and assignments for an OL - especially against a professional blitzer like Tenuta. It's what he does for a living. Don't panic because a grown man who blitzes for a living out smarted a bunch of kids on a football field. Panic if it keeps happening later.

Our O will be fine, and it won't be great. We should already have expected that from the factors we already know.

Give it a week or two before panic time. We have had an absurd amount of starters out this week, in 2 starting WR's, The fulback, 2 tailbacks on and off, and a slew of OL'men.

So - we had the starting group at two positions in the entire offense. QB and TE - but even the TE's were asked to offset the loss at FB, so even their set up was different. So one guy was asked to play the position exactly the same - but even that wasn't the same because his formations, protection, and personnel were different.

Things went about like you should expect given the personnel. You just watched Reggie practicing with essentially the 2nd or 3rd string O in that scrimmage, and in a new offense at that.
 
I highly doubt our offense will be 'fine' given that it hasn't been 'fine' for the past four years. Unless by 'fine' you mean the usual crap.
 
You should join the premium board at Scout. You would feel better about things.

I gotta say that some of the negativaty here has zero to do with GT. Some people are just unhappy in general, and will only see what they can see through their own lens.

We're gonna be fine.
 
techfowl said:
You should join the premium board at Scout. You would feel better about things.

I gotta say that some of the negativaty here has zero to do with GT. Some people are just unhappy in general, and will only see what they can see through their own lens.

We're gonna be fine.
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No dice, I'm a member and I see nothing on the internet that makes me feel better about the results on the field.

As I have stated over and again, I had hopes that the Nix-Reggie combination would shake the offense up enough to get it moving in the right direction. 9-29 passing.....5-16 by the starting quarterback.....and a running game avg. 1.2 yards per carry......common sense tells me something is severely wrong.

I'm willing to believe Gailey knows what he is doing, he has done a fantastic job this year. Nix? Because of his background I'm sure he does know what should be done. Reggie? I'm not taking a leap of faith from what I have read from yesterday's scrimmage. As I have already said in this thread, maybe Reggie's ability as a quarterback has been maximized.

I think Tech has got to react to yesterday's performance with extreme urgency and get Jonathan Garner prepped to take over with Taylor Bennett backing him up if Reggie puts up 1 more scrimmage performance like yesterday's.

Tech can win 7 games with Garner and maybe Bennett at the helm. I'm certain of that. As long as these guys have been going through all the motions that Reggie does in preparing to play there is no reason why they can't do as well. Especially Garner, a highly rated state championship quarterback in Florida for heaven's sake.

Not panic but urgency is the key word now for getting the quarterback position and the offense as a whole straightened out. I think if you get the quarterback problem fixed.....either with Reggie or one of the backups.....the problems with the offense in general will work themselves out.
 
stateline, read my first post. In it I said,
All that said, we do have to rely on Reggie to improve over last year if we are to have the year we hope for. OR we have to be willing to pull the plug if he can't get it done. But it's way early for people to be throwing in the towel.
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I agree that there has to be a point this year where we make a change if the offense isn't working. Maybe a game by game thing. All I'm saying is I'm not prepared to call for anything after 1 scrimmage.
 
Where did I say anything was acceptable. I just said, it's the first real scrimmage. Why not wait for the panic attacks?
 
techfowl said:
I gotta say that some of the negativaty here has zero to do with GT. Some people are just unhappy in general, and will only see what they can see through their own lens.
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Wait a minute....I see through gold-colored glasses about as often as anyone on any board. I am the glass half full guy that gives people a lot of time and typically gives the benefit of the doubt.

However, even as I have come up with a lot of good reasons for some of our shortcomings....I see zero reason as to why our offense should not be the best it has been in the last 4 years. Even though RB is a mediocre QB at best...and I think that is the case...as a 4th yr starter we should still be BETTER than last year. Particularly with the talent around him.

In the end all that matters is that we score more points than the other guys. However, we are going to have to give our defense some rest to do that by moving the chains some...even if we do not always come away with points. We are thin at LB and DB this year.

Gailey has the recruiting humming and that will not change....he has placed an emphasis on defense and kept a great working relationship with his defensive staff (most HC's have not been able to make that happen)...he now has the special teams focus there...the last piece is having an offense that does not necessarily have to be world class...but just strike a little fear in the opponent.

I know Gailey will get it done...the other three pieces are there...it is just a matter whether it happens this year or the year after when Threet (6-6, 235) or Nesbitt (6-0, 210) take over the reins.

We are going to win an ACC Championship soon...I just really want it to be this year.
 
I am with you SLJ. In my words, not yours necessarily, it is time to move on with search for offensive leadership.

It is a self fulfilling prophecy that RB stays at starter when no one else gets a quarter of his snaps in August.
I don't get to see the scrimmages that many here can make it to. As a result of that, my thinking was Reggie could light it up on Rose Bowl Field but couldn't bring the same thing when it counted.

I hate to hear the same batted balls and out of bounds throws during a scrimmage. Very scary.
 
ncjacket said:
stateline, read my first post. In it I said,


I agree that there has to be a point this year where we make a change if the offense isn't working. Maybe a game by game thing. All I'm saying is I'm not prepared to call for anything after 1 scrimmage.
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Fair enough. I haven't been arguing your point. But when and how do you approach the problem? I say we have to prepare Bennett and Garner with a sense of urgency. Get them mentally prepared to play. Ratchet up their game preparations and get them some reps with the first team offense. Anyway I doubt reps are Reggie's problem.....
 
From what I have read and heard, the only time Garner has shined is when he is in live simulated situations or scrimmages. In practice he is lackluster.

State, I would like to agree with you on yanking Reggie. For God's Sake there have been many times where I wished they grabbed him by his shoulder pads and threw his butt on the bench. But it hasn't happened for a reason. There is a huge drop off in production between Reggie and the next guy, as sad as that may be.
 
So lets see, if I read most of you correct, BOR/SLJ/KNOXJ etc. We go from nothing to less than nothing. Wonder where the fault lies and who is responsible and who is ultimately responsible?
 
oldfoggy said:
So lets see, if I read most of you correct, BOR/SLJ/KNOXJ etc. We go from nothing to less than nothing. Wonder where the fault lies and who is responsible and who is ultimately responsible?
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Well, when OF joins the conversation we go from something to less than nothing. Reggie's winning % is >.500 which means he's winning more than he's losing - that's much better than "nothing" IMO. He's been bad at times but he certainly deserves more respect than what you've posted.

This isn't BO - if you post silliness you better expect to get called out on it.
 
of, I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. We had one full scrimmage after something like a week of practice. Can we wait at least until the season starts before we a) panic, b) change qbs and c) fire a coach?
 
ncjacket said:
of, I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. We had one full scrimmage after something like a week of practice. Can we wait at least until the season starts before we a) panic, b) change qbs and c) fire a coach?
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NCJ, please allow me to add a little to your statement:

"We had one full scrimmage after something like a week of practice with a new offense, the QBs weren't allowed to run and were called down when touched, while missing about six starters on offense and remaining vanilla until practice is closed."

These aren't excuses for the O's poor performance, it's reasons not to panic.
 
So, the 1st scrimmage of fall practice, while installing a new offense has happened. And people are already saying we need to fire our OC and start a new QB.

I'll re-state the 1st line of my posty again since it seems like people are acting like we just played a game: "So, the 1st scrimmage of fall practice, while installing a new offense has happened."


Let's not over-react. You guys can over-react after the ND game.

One other thing, Stateline, I doubt you've even seen Garner, our 3rd string QB, throw in a practice or scrimmage, yet you're ready to make him a starter.
Everyone loves the backup QB. Fact is Reggie gives us our best chance to win.

Mark my words: When we play ND on Sept 2nd, you'll see almost as much running back from Reggie as you will QB, by design from our new offense.
 
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