Ok, I'll stick my big toe in the piranha tank ...

Big Bubba Ray

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Ok, I\'ll stick my big toe in the piranha tank ...

... and say that after the last two performances, I'm fully convinced that last year's sloppy performances (NC State & UVA excluded) were due to the following reasons:

a) Lethargic QB
b) Bill O'Brien's play calling w/ a lethargic QB

In all fairness to AJ, I'm sure he'd have performed better under a different offensive scheme, however - he didn't have Lil' Joe's speed and or Godsey's awareness and Bill O'Brien couldn't adjust.

I'm not saying Chan is Bobby Dodd, but the play calling has been 200% better this year. I mean, when was the last time we called fake punts in two consecutive games???

I was a fence sitter in the whole Chan affair, but I've fallen off the fence and I'm convinced that Chan's the man for us.
(Ok, Chan - back me up here.)

BBR
 
Re: Ok, I\'ll stick my big toe in the piranha tank ...

Originally posted by Big Bubba Ray:

b) Bill O'Brien's play calling.......

Bill O'Brien couldn't adjust.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">BBR,

What an absolute crock. You could not find a more haphazard play selection that what Chan called in the second half of the FSU game.

But let's look at some stats for the last few years.

2001....Bill O'Brien (unencumbered by Chan)
Points per game....32
Total Offense per game...418

2002...Bill O'Brien (TOTALLY encumbered by Chan)
Points per game....21.5
Total Offense per game....375

2003....Chan Gailey (completes takeover from last year)
Points per game...14.3 (includes defensive TD)
Total Offense per game....244

If you look at these stats closely...you will find a very disturbing trend.

Give me Bill O'Brien anyday over what is occuring now offensively.
 
Re: Ok, I\'ll stick my big toe in the piranha tank ...

beeware, why don't you run down the play selection in the second half for me? Lay it out play by play, tell me what we ran and why you don't like the calls. Otherwise, shut up.
 
Re: Ok, I\'ll stick my big toe in the piranha tank ...

Originally posted by beeware:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Originally posted by Big Bubba Ray:

b) Bill O'Brien's play calling.......

Bill O'Brien couldn't adjust.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">BBR,

What an absolute crock. You could not find a more haphazard play selection that what Chan called in the second half of the FSU game.

But let's look at some stats for the last few years.

2001....Bill O'Brien (unencumbered by Chan)
Points per game....32
Total Offense per game...418

2002...Bill O'Brien (TOTALLY encumbered by Chan)
Points per game....21.5
Total Offense per game....375

2003....Chan Gailey (completes takeover from last year)
Points per game...14.3 (includes defensive TD)
Total Offense per game....244

If you look at these stats closely...you will find a very disturbing trend.

Give me Bill O'Brien anyday over what is occuring now offensively.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Dude, I'm a stats major and this is pretty much crap too. These are meaningless numbers.

This year, we've played 2 of the top 5 defenses in college football in the first 3 games with a true FR QB so you can completely throw out your 2003 PPG & YPG stats. These numbers will improve (especially over the next 3 games - 2 poor Ds and 1 mediocre).

2001 - Godsey
2002 - Suggs (I doubt Gailey or TOTALLY encumbered O'Brien were calling the "pick" play)
2003 - see above

I've never really agreed with any of your CCG bashing but most of the time you make decent points to back up your opinion. It might be a good idea to use a mulligan here.
 
Re: Ok, I\'ll stick my big toe in the piranha tank ...

Terrible argument, beeware...

In 2001 BOB had a great senior quarterback. Along with an offense that was established by Friedgen.

In 2002 you see what happens when BOB has to deal with a new quarterback. He gets 21.5 ppg but how much is that average affected by by the 45 they put up on Vandy and the 31 against UCONN? Against FSU, UGAG and Maryland they had 30 pts total which this year they managed an equal amount. against stingy AU and FSU defenses.

Also, lets wait until the season is over to compare stats. Until then you are comparing apples to oranges.
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Re: Ok, I\'ll stick my big toe in the piranha tank ...

Chan will open up the offense as Ball gains more experience and knowledge.
South Georgia Jacket
 
Re: Ok, I\'ll stick my big toe in the piranha tank ...

to really put Beeware's ignorance in perspective we must examine the facts.

We have witnessed the best 8 quarters of GT football in the past 5 years.

To accomplish this with an 18 y/o quarterbacking in Tally is unthinkable. The reality is this coaching performance may never be equalled.

Tech may never have another 18 y/o quarterback. Think back to lil joe's highlight performance in Tally. Joe was a seasoned veteran then. In fact Joe had never been able to finish an FSU game healthy up to that point. Think about the back field that lil joe had with him during that game.
 
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I'm fine with what Gailey has been doing on offense. I'm a bit tired of everyone downing BOB. You understandably throw out the points per game average noting that BOB's first year was with a gifted George Godsey.

But, you fail to give BOB the break for having to use Suggs at QB last year. Would Gailey have averaged 21.5 points per game with Suggs at QB last year? Would anyone have?

Here is a question for you, would AJ Suggs have done what Reggie Ball has? Would he have hit the safe, short passes that Gailey has frequently used? Could he have hit the occassional deep ball? If you answered no, then it seems to me that you admit that any system featuring Suggs was bound to fail.

I've also heard people charge BOB with not being able to develop Bilbo and Suggs. Well, I don't see those two taking snaps so I'm thinking that Gailey cannot develop them either.

Lets also admit that there has been no offensive miracle. There has been a change in philosophy. We are no longer an attacking offense but a low risk offense. We throw underneath and work the edges. It is designed to minimize turnovers by avoiding throws to the middle of the field, particularly ones which linebackers playing zone might pick off. I think that the basic idea is that our defense is good and that we'll win with it, either off of turnovers or a short field.
 
Re: Ok, I\'ll stick my big toe in the piranha tank ...

nathogt, you make some good points.

I never thought BOB was that bad, I just thought he was a little green to be OC. While he had Godsey things worked okay for the most part, but when faced with the QB issues we had last year he wasn't able to compensate. Now, maybe no one could have but to me that was the major issue.

As for our current offense, I think it's more like going back to the style we played when JoeHam was first starting. It's a pretty basic package designed to take advantage of what Reggie is comfortable doing. As his grasp of college ball grows the playbook will also, just as it did with Joe. If you take a look at Joe's first year it would be a real stretch to call us an attacking offense. By the end of his second year things were starting to roll. It's a natural progression and part of the problem with playing young QBs. That's the reason most school prefer to have a soph or jr ready to go when their senior leaves.
 
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If O'brien was so danged hot an offensive mind, why did the Fridge put him to coaching linebackers?
 
Re: Ok, I\'ll stick my big toe in the piranha tank ...

1game... that question has floated around this board since BOB left.. and it is a good, logical question...

I have a feeling that there are some on this board.. although married with children, still pine for the girl friend who broke up with them in high school... some just stay loyal to folks, even when the "folks" have been disloyal to them.. BOB did a good job for Tech.. but he is gone.. period.

And Big Bubba.. dont worry about Chan backing you up... just be patient.. and I will bet you that within next 2-3 years, you will see Tech not only field excellent teams.. but you are going to see a program ...

Chan IS the man..
 
Re: Ok, I\'ll stick my big toe in the piranha tank ...

Interesting comment from Chan that he believes the current talent on offense can be " good without being prolific".With his resume Chan should be able to figure some way to have enough offense to win games and bring Ball along patiently by building on each game. Last year it appeared there was a difference of style or opinion on the offense.

How many interceptions did we have last year?
 
Re: Ok, I\'ll stick my big toe in the piranha tank ...

Originally posted by gameface:

How many interceptions did we have last year?
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">It seems like we had a dozen against Fresno State alone..
 
Re: Ok, I\'ll stick my big toe in the piranha tank ...

Beeware...My boy ContactBuzz just owned you. =]

Originally posted by ContactBuzz:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Originally posted by beeware:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Originally posted by Big Bubba Ray:

b) Bill O'Brien's play calling.......

Bill O'Brien couldn't adjust.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">BBR,

What an absolute crock. You could not find a more haphazard play selection that what Chan called in the second half of the FSU game.

But let's look at some stats for the last few years.

2001....Bill O'Brien (unencumbered by Chan)
Points per game....32
Total Offense per game...418

2002...Bill O'Brien (TOTALLY encumbered by Chan)
Points per game....21.5
Total Offense per game....375

2003....Chan Gailey (completes takeover from last year)
Points per game...14.3 (includes defensive TD)
Total Offense per game....244

If you look at these stats closely...you will find a very disturbing trend.

Give me Bill O'Brien anyday over what is occuring now offensively.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Dude, I'm a stats major and this is pretty much crap too. These are meaningless numbers.

This year, we've played 2 of the top 5 defenses in college football in the first 3 games with a true FR QB so you can completely throw out your 2003 PPG & YPG stats. These numbers will improve (especially over the next 3 games - 2 poor Ds and 1 mediocre).

2001 - Godsey
2002 - Suggs (I doubt Gailey or TOTALLY encumbered O'Brien were calling the "pick" play)
2003 - see above

I've never really agreed with any of your CCG bashing but most of the time you make decent points to back up your opinion. It might be a good idea to use a mulligan here.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">
 
Re: Ok, I\'ll stick my big toe in the piranha tank ...

Originally posted by 1game@atime:
If O'brien was so danged hot an offensive mind, why did the Fridge put him to coaching linebackers?
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Because that was the only open slot on his staff at the time.

In case you didn't know... BOB was moved to Running Backs coach once the slot opened up during off season changes.

People read way too much into that whole deal. Ralph is loyal to BOB, thinks he is a good coach, and wanted him on the staff in some shape or form.
 
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