Pick a Coach (not GT necessarily)

Which coach would you hire for next year at Anonymous University?

  • Weiss

    Votes: 4 12.1%

  • Willingham

    Votes: 20 60.6%

  • Gailey

    Votes: 9 27.3%
  • Total voters
    33
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I was pondering the historic event with ND this weekend and thinking about our ongoing coaching debate in context. Many of those defending CG argue that "it could be much worse" and they are correct IMO. Examples are trotted out by both sides of changes that resulted in disaster or dramatic turnarounds.

Weiss is highly touted and is at the program that has as much going for it in support and traditoin as any school. He should have all the advantages, yet they struggle. Is it a blip? An anomaly?

So, pretend you are AD at a school other than GT (or ND or Washington) and you have three candidates for head coach. Who do you pick? Why?
 
I would pick Willingham, partly because I think he got a raw deal under the Gold Dome (though reasonable people can argue otherwise) and partly because the alternatives are very poor choices. As AD of said AU I would also begin updating resume and doing other prudent things in anticipation of meltdown that will likely occur
 
JoltinJacket said:
1. Ty
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2a. Gailey
2b. Weis
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Wow, why Gailey above Weiss? (...considering that landing Weiss was considered a huge coup by ND not so long ago.)

I wonder if everyone's vote would have been the same two years ago. Remember that Ty was regarded as stalled by the ND faithful (similar to the accusation of many GT fans about Gailey.)
 
I don't know if anyone noticed, but after Washington's hot start they lost 6 straight games until they played Stanford yesterday.

I think my pick would be d) None of the above, given the options.
 
ASimPerson said:
I don't know if anyone noticed, but after Washington's hot start they lost 6 straight games until they played Stanford yesterday.

I think my pick would be d) None of the above, given the options.
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I thought of putting in O'Leary as an option given his flirtation with the ND job. Bu I was afraid it would become a referendum on O'Leary vs. Gailey and I know how that would turn out.

The Notre Dame coaching carousel is a bit of a cautionary tale to me. They go after only the most highly touted coaches yet they seem to be snakebit.

Maybe the trick is to find that coach who isn't already on everyone's list.
 
ASimPerson said:
I don't know if anyone noticed, but after Washington's hot start they lost 6 straight games until they played Stanford yesterday.

I think my pick would be d) None of the above, given the options.
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I agree. But if I had to take one it might be Willingham, since he's been at Stanford which is at least somewhat similar to Tech and he isn't fatboy.
 
ND got what they wanted, Weiss got what he wanted, Patriots are undefeated. May they all be miserable together. Willingham brings too much baggage IMHO.
 
This looks impressive?

Willingham's record (6 winning seasons in 13 years):

Stanford (44-36-1)
7-4-1
7-5
5-6
3-8
8-4
5-6
9-3

Notre Dame (21-15)
10-3
5-7
6-5

Washington (10-22)
2-9
5-7
3-6
 
The book is not closed on Weiss yet, I still think he is a pretty good coach who is having a horrible year. They lost almost everyone of consequence from last years team and they have played a brutal schedule thus far. Still, their inepness has been epic.

What do you think our record would be with ND's schedule? We are clear underdogs to Michigan, Purdue, Penn State and USC and toss ups with UCLA and Michigan State (who i believe has too much O for us). We are only a clear favorite against Navy. I say we are 2 -5 against that schedule.
 
I like Gailey (out of these three) the best as a head coach. Weiss is an arrogant guy that will not be successful at the college level. Ty comes in second. Gailey is what Georgia Tech needs as a head coach (christian southern gentleman) he is slowly realizing his role is not to coach at all. He needs to recruit talented young coaches and players. Give him another year or two he is improving (slowly) every year.
 
Georgia Tech needs a Christian Southern Gentleman that doesn't coach at all as its head coach? Everything is clear now...
 
I'll first say this. ND is one of the worst offenses statistically in the modern history of college football. I think 115th+ in every offensive category and 119th in total offense and scoring offense. I remember hearing something like if they doubled their offensive scoring, they would still be 118th.

Yeah, it's a brutal schedule, but they must have done much worse than other teams their other opponents have plays. For example, I know for certain that Army, Army, had 10 times the offense against GT than ND did. I don't care how young your offense is. With those types of recruits, ND should be doing much, much more offensively.

There are other factors about Weis too that make him appear pretty lackluster.

-The patriots offense hardly appeared to be missing Weis when he left.
- His glory year was 2005, where his biggest win was a loss to USC, a team with considerable defensive problems. All of his actual wins came against losing teams except for a mediocre Michigan team.
- In 2006, his noteworthy wins came against GT, Penn State and Purdue, teams which were 9-5, 9-4 and 8-6 respectively. Now, that would be a good year for GT, but not exactly a good year for a team with preseason ranking of #2. ND also folded like a house of cards that year against Michigan, USC and LSU.

As far as Ty, he's not doing as bad as his 4-6 record would suggest. Four of those six losses came against some of the very best teams in the nation. The others came against Arizona and UCLA, beatable but certainly not easy. Stanford has also plummeted since he left.

So I would take Ty with his experience of being moderately successful at a school with even stricter academic restrictions than Tech. He probably should have given more of a chance by the ND alums who thought they should win the MNC every year. I can only remember coaches getting fired after three years if they were downright horrific (eg Lewis at Tech or Zook at UF).

Then again, their first target was Urban Meyer and it was a shock when he turned them down. That would have probably given ND their best situation, but it didn't happen and now they're 1-8.
 
I don't like to throw names out there unless its sure a guy will be fired. I hope we see Gailey back in 2008, coming off the heels of a 9-4(4-4 ACC) season and a bowl win.

But for the sake of argument.... Bo Pelini? Jimbo Fisher?
 
Weis makes Gailey look like an offensive guru.
Willingham makes Gailey look like a consistent winning coach.

Gailey > Willingham > Weis
 
beej67 said:
Weis makes Gailey look like an offensive guru.
Willingham makes Gailey look like a consistent winning coach.

Gailey > Willingham > Weis
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Thank you beej and floridajacket for spelling Weis correctly! :biggthumpup:
 
GTtowers82 said:
I like Gailey (out of these three) the best as a head coach. Weiss is an arrogant guy that will not be successful at the college level. Ty comes in second. Gailey is what Georgia Tech needs as a head coach (christian southern gentleman) he is slowly realizing his role is not to coach at all. He needs to recruit talented young coaches and players. Give him another year or two he is improving (slowly) every year.
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We are worse this year than last, with a deeper team in what is still obviously a very weak (if not the weakest) BCS conference.

Maybe your definition of improving and mine are kind of different.
 
Maybe your definition of improving and mine are kind of different.
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Gailey > Willingham > Weis no matter which definition of "improve" you pick.
 
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