Playing Notre Dame

Yep, that deal needs to end yesterday. We prop up ND with (apparently) mostly easy win and we give them a prime bowl slot. What do we get in return? A bump in attendance for games at ACC stadiums? Cut ND loose and let them fend for themselves.

I’d rather play a “real” team than UMass or some other no-hope cupcake, but there are dozens to choose from that would be fun matchups and good road trips that we could replace ND with.

JRjr
 
Yeah, but these schedules are set so far in advance.
Who knew FSU was gonna suck like Nina Hartley this year? (Nina from the 90s. Not now. That's just ... yeah, no. And don't pretend like you don't know).
Who knew Syracuse was going to be decent?
Who knew Stanford was going to fall this far when those schedules were done? Besides, ND has played Stanford every year for about 35 years now, save for the COVID season. So that game was already set, before Stanford joined the conference.

You play Notre Dame, you immediately get national attention, whether you like it or not. You play UMass, and even the folks in Boston don't give a shit.
 
Time to cut a deal with ND - you have to be all in or you will be all out. However, since you have the sweet deal with NBC for all of your home games, you can keep it. Pay 25% of it to the ACC revenue pool.
 
Pretty sure we wouldn't be complaining about if if we had won.

This is the same argument that was trotted out after F$U joined the conference and cleaned house for several straight years.

I don't think it does the ACC a bit of good to publicly complain about it because it underscores the SEC/B1G narrative about the conference level pecking order.
 
00Burdell said:
Pretty sure we wouldn't be complaining about if if we had won.

This is the same argument that was trotted out after F$U joined the conference and cleaned house for several straight years.

I don't think it does the ACC a bit of good to publicly complain about it because it underscores the SEC/B1G narrative about the conference level pecking order.
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Sure, at the micro scale we’d be happy if we won the game this year. At the macro scale, year in and year out where ND is usually a loss for the ACC team, does the negative outweigh the positive?

I’d be curious to see the difference in bowl teams and ranked teams if the ACC teams swapped out those 50 losses for even a 50/50 toss-up game, and I wonder if the perception of the middle of the pack ACC would be different in that case.

Asking why we’re playing ND so much as a conference isn’t any more embarrassing than the cuck football arrangement with them in the first place.

JRjr
 
00Burdell said:
Pretty sure we wouldn't be complaining about if if we had won.

This is the same argument that was trotted out after F$U joined the conference and cleaned house for several straight years.

I don't think it does the ACC a bit of good to publicly complain about it because it underscores the SEC/B1G narrative about the conference level pecking order.
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One difference: ND hasn't joined in football.
 
You want to play with the big boys, you gotta play the big boys. FSU really sucked when I was a kid in the 70's. Bowden took on anyone and grew a championship team with that mentality.
 
This is dumb crybabying. UGA didn't play Umass instead of Notre Dame, they played Clemson.

This argument is made even worse by those ACC teams that don't have built-in OOC SEC rivalries. The ACC gets much more out of playing Notre Dame than not. Notre Dame is not some juggernaut, and it says more about the rest of the conference that we can't at least string several wins against them together. Apparently Northern Illinois has the blueprint but the ACC doesn't. With a healthy King we probably had a pretty good shot this year. How many turnovers?

That said Notre Dame absolutely should be in a conference by now. You won't find me arguing otherwise.
 
GT flunkout said:
This is dumb crybabying. UGA didn't play Umass instead of Notre Dame, they played Clemson.

This argument is made even worse by those ACC teams that don't have built-in OOC SEC rivalries. The ACC gets much more out of playing Notre Dame than not. Notre Dame is not some juggernaut, and it says more about the rest of the conference that we can't at least string several wins against them together. Apparently Northern Illinois has the blueprint but the ACC doesn't. With a healthy King we probably had a pretty good shot this year. How many turnovers?

That said Notre Dame absolutely should be in a conference by now. You won't find me arguing otherwise.
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ND has zero motivation to join a conf with the ACC bending over for them, the 12-team playoffs and their NBC contract
 
I think we need to continue to play Notre Dame and its good for the conference. However 10-50 sure doesn't help. Neverthless, keep the set up going. I think this Notre Dame team is much better equipped to play in the big time than past teams. Their past teams were big strong and well ....... lacked quickness and a bit of speed. This year seems quicker and they are by far the best team we have played.
 
vapspwi said:
Yep, that deal needs to end yesterday. We prop up ND with (apparently) mostly easy win and we give them a prime bowl slot. What do we get in return? A bump in attendance for games at ACC stadiums? Cut ND loose and let them fend for themselves.

I’d rather play a “real” team than UMass or some other no-hope cupcake, but there are dozens to choose from that would be fun matchups and good road trips that we could replace ND with.

JRjr
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UMass scored 21 pts & had almost 400 yds of O against the mutts. That's better than many of their SEC foes managed, even though it "means more".
 
I love playing ND. Especially now with the expanded playoffs where you can win your conference and get in. It's fun, a great road trip, and good publicity.

ND is good but not world beaters, as evidenced by what happens every time they play a top team. If we get blown out by them, the answer isn't to run away and play UMass, it's to get better.
 
Who knew we had so many ööööing Notre Dame fans in here?

JRjr
 
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