Playoffs and Conference Title Games

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This is the slate of games (rankings are projected) for the “opening round” of the current postseason:

No. 1 Alabama vs. No. 4 Georgia: Alabama only has to not lose by, say, 50 points and they advance. Georgia either has to win, or maybe just lose by a couple points, to advance.

No. 2 Clemson vs. No. 22 Pitt: Clemson just has to not lose by more than, say, 21 points and they advance. Pitt can’t advance.

No. 3 Notre Dame. Idle. They advance.

No. 5 Oklahoma vs. No. 13 Texas: Oklahoma needs to win, Georgia needs to lose and then they need to win a debate with Ohio State (or have Ohio State lose) to advance. Texas can’t advance.

No. 6 Ohio State vs. No. 18 Northwestern: Ohio State needs to win, Georgia to lose and then they need to win a debate with Oklahoma (or have Oklahoma lose) to advance. Northwestern can’t advance.

No. 7 UCF vs. unranked Memphis: Game is meaningless.

No. 13 Washington vs. No. 16 Utah: Game is meaningless.

If the conference championships were scrapped, here’s what we could have instead, using five automatic bids for the major conferences, three at-large bids and home sites for the first round:

No. 8 Washington at No. 1 Alabama, yes, in Tuscaloosa.

No. 7 UCF at No. 2 Clemson, yes, in Clemson.

No. 6 Ohio State at No. 3 Notre Dame, yes, in South Bend.

No. 5 Oklahoma at No. 4 Georgia, yes, between the hedges.

Which set of games would you choose to be the first round of your postseason/playoff?

Basically the NFL and FCS model.

The atmosphere for on-campus playoff games would be unreal. No one has ever attended an NFL playoff game in Lambeau or Heinz Field or Mile High or anywhere in America, surveyed the pre-kick frenzy, and thought, “Boy, I wish we got to spend $1,500 on travel so this could take place at some far-away dome or whatever-they-are-calling-that-place-now in Miami.”

And forget that we have to determine who won the conferences. There is only one (sort of) conference championship that is in doubt heading into “conference championship weekend.” One.

Alabama won the SEC. Clemson won the ACC. Oklahoma won the Big 12. Washington won the Pac 12. There is no debate here. Check the records. It was settled on the field.
 
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Texas beat OU head-to-head, right?

And all these conference schedules are set up so there aren't any divisional strength differences, right?

And the rankings are objective, right?

I'd love to see an 8 team playoff. So let's get to 8 Power conferences with 12 teams each. Play 11 round robin games so that conference champs have played everyone in their conference and allow every team one OOC game that doesn't count towards the playoff.
 
I would be on board with scrapping the conference championship games in favor of an eight-team playoff.

It would take a major shake-up in tradition to scrap the old and move forward with the new -which is probably where college football needs to go. Being that I am an individual steeped in tradition, this is not an easy thing for me to accept -but I can see the benefits. Someone earlier, in another thread, put together a listing of four super-FBS conferences -ee8384 above mentions going to eight. Either way, the foundations of traditions, conference affiliations, rivalries, would in some cases be shaken to the core. Look to the NHL for an example.

Look at the progression of the ACC since Tech has been a member -from Tobacco Road and the 4 dwarfs to being scattered from Miami to Boston. I was not a fan of the ACC expansion, or at least some of the teams that were invited to join, so I would have no problem blowing up the conference and starting anew. I can see the same mindset with fans of the Big 12's 14 teams. However, fans of the SEC and Big Ten's 12 teams would probably have a big problem with this approach.

The only problem with expanding the playoffs to eight is teams nine and ten will feel they got the shaft, so "we need to expand to 12 with the top four teams getting a bye," would be the next cry. This is how it has gone in college basketball over the past several years with the stupid play-in game and crap like that. In terms of college basketball, I have always been of the mindset that every team IS in the tournament, with the conference tournaments serving as the first few rounds.

With four, or eight, power conferences you could simply take the conference winner and let then duke it out in a four/eight team playoff. If the move is to four conferences then do you limit the playoffs to conference champions or do you include four wild cards? Be careful if you do because wild card teams #5 and #6 will feel left out.

It's all conjecture at this point because of so many obstacles beneath the surface, money being the #1 obstacle with TV contracts, revenue sharing, bowl tie-ins, etc, not to mention the basketball aspect of doing something like this. But it is intriguing to discuss it.
 
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I'd argue that an Alabama win over Georgia in a squeaker or OT game may allow Georgia to make the playoffs anyway.
 
I'd argue that an Alabama win over Georgia in a squeaker or OT game may allow Georgia to make the playoffs anyway.

It might. If that happens, and Ohio State and Oklahoma win then the CFP has a bit of a mess. Would a two-loss UGA team get in over an Oklahoma team that, in defeating Texas in the B12CG, would avenge it's only loss? Georgia's lone loss was to LSU, who lost to Bama, UF, and aTm in 7 ot's. Ohio State lost by four touchdowns to a 6-6 Purdue team.

I think when Bama defeats UGA in the SECCG, be it by four TD's or 3 OT's, and if Oklahoma avenges it's only loss of the season in the B12CG, then...

1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Notre Dame
4. Oklahoma

The Mutts can then lose to Texas in the Sugar Bowl.
 
I'd love to see an 8 team playoff. So let's get to 8 Power conferences with 12 teams each.
This is the ideal situation, IMO, but there's no way to enforce it. If the NCAA tried to force conferences to drop to 12 teams, the Power 5 conferences would rebel and start their own league. Also, there are currently 10 conferences and well over 96 FBS teams. Who gets left out?
 
I would be on board with scrapping the conference championship games in favor of an eight-team playoff.

It would take a major shake-up in tradition to scrap the old and move forward with the new -which is probably where college football needs to go. Being that I am an individual steeped in tradition, this is not an easy thing for me to accept -but I can see the benefits. Someone earlier, in another thread, put together a listing of four super-FBS conferences -ee8384 above mentions going to eight. Either way, the foundations of traditions, conference affiliations, rivalries, would in some cases be shaken to the core. Look to the NHL for an example.

Look at the progression of the ACC since Tech has been a member -from Tobacco Road and the 4 dwarfs to being scattered from Miami to Boston. I was not a fan of the ACC expansion, or at least some of the teams that were invited to join, so I would have no problem blowing up the conference and starting anew. I can see the same mindset with fans of the Big 12's 14 teams. However, fans of the SEC and Big Ten's 12 teams would probably have a big problem with this approach.

The only problem with expanding the playoffs to eight is teams nine and ten will feel they got the shaft, so "we need to expand to 12 with the top four teams getting a bye," would be the next cry. This is how it has gone in college basketball over the past several years with the stupid play-in game and crap like that. In terms of college basketball, I have always been of the mindset that every team IS in the tournament, with the conference tournaments serving as the first few rounds.

With four, or eight, power conferences you could simply take the conference winner and let then duke it out in a four/eight team playoff. If the move is to four conferences then do you limit the playoffs to conference champions or do you include four wild cards? Be careful if you do because wild card teams #5 and #6 will feel left out.

It's all conjecture at this point because of so many obstacles beneath the surface, money being the #1 obstacle with TV contracts, revenue sharing, bowl tie-ins, etc, not to mention the basketball aspect of doing something like this. But it is intriguing to discuss it.

Conference realignment wouldn't be that traumatic, although it would be played up as such. If you essentially go back to the first round of major conference realignment you aren't that far off. The most recent rounds are what skewed it. The Pac 12 and Big 12 used to have 12. B1G was at 11, so throw ND in there. The NE is where things got most hosed, with the Big East football going away. Put Pitt, PSU, MD, BC & Cuse back together, chuck in VT, UVA, WV, UConn and you are close.

You would need 2 (maybe three) of the 8 conferences in the South (Virginia ain't South). In FL you have UF, FSU, UCF, USF, Miami. GA you have UGA, GT, GSU?. SC you have Clemson, USCe. NC you have NCSt, UNC, Wake, Duke, ECU? App St?. In TN you have UT, Memphis, MTSU?. Bama, Auburn, MSU, Ole Miss, LSU.

LA and MS may need to go with states of TX, OK, AR.

Geographically it's challenging in Upper Plains and NE due to lack of power schools. You'd also never hear the end of a BSU getting in for winning their weak conference over a 2nd place, 1 loss finishers in the Southern conferences.

In the short term going to all Power 5 conference champs, 2 wild cards and 1 G5 team (if it meets certain criteria) is the easiest path. Getting rid of conference championships opens the door to an undefeated Bama, undefeated UGA and 1 loss Auburn/LSU wanting 3 SEC slots. Then undefeated Wisconsin and undefeated OSU want 2 B1G slots. Unbalanced conference scheduling is a big issue.
 
OU 8-1, UT 7-2


There's a way since they will be tied at worst as a one loss team, but hard to tell who gets picked at that point. Not a given like the article implied.
I thought Texas was a 3 loss team. I suppose I'm wrong. I'd look it up but meh
 
This is the ideal situation, IMO, but there's no way to enforce it. If the NCAA tried to force conferences to drop to 12 teams, the Power 5 conferences would rebel and start their own league. Also, there are currently 10 conferences and well over 96 FBS teams. Who gets left out?

Teams like Buffalo, Texas State, Georgia State, App St would be the losers here. So make it like EPL - have a second tier and relegate low end Power conference teams and bring up the 2nd tier top 8 every two years. That would make it fun. But it isn't about fun - it's about the Power 5 and TV making mo money.
 
1.) Play the conference championships.
2.) All P5 Conference Champions advance regardless of record
3.) 2 wildcard bids for any school, to be determined by committee
4.) 1 mandatory bid for highest ranked non-Power 5 Conference Champion
5.) Seeding to be determined by committee.

Adds one more game for 8 teams, they can handle it.
 
It'd be easier to get the conferences to come up to 16 teams, then make the conference championship games into the first round.

EDIT: This is assuming the Big Texas conference gets eaten. Which it would.
 
It'd be easier to get the conferences to come up to 16 teams, then make the conference championship games into the first round.

EDIT: This is assuming the Big Texas conference gets eaten. Which it would.

Doesn't solve the unbalanced conference scheduling problem. Probably makes it worse, since further additions would likely dilute overall strength.

And if 16 team conferences were to happen I'd rather see more Southern schools in the ACC: UCF, USF, GaSt, ECU, App St in the ACC. Boot the Yankee schools.
 
Doesn't solve the unbalanced conference scheduling problem. Probably makes it worse, since further additions would likely dilute overall strength.

And if 16 team conferences were to happen I'd rather see more Southern schools in the ACC: UCF, USF, GaSt, ECU, App St in the ACC. Boot the Yankee schools.

What's the unbalanced conference scheduling problem?
 
What's the unbalanced conference scheduling problem?

Tech playing Clemson as cross-divisional every year. UGA avoiding Bama most years.

Now if in a 16 team conference winning your division is only based on record within the division, and you play everyone in your division, with cross-divisional games not affecting who goes to the conference championship - then I'm in.
 
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