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MacDaddy2

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OK its cold as hell and I'm bored so I started thinking about what a playoff system might look like.

It starts with the premise that the regular season is shortened to 11 games and that conference championship games are still in play.

It assumes that the conference champions from the ACC, SEC, Big East, Big 12, Pac 10, and the Big 10 are automatic qualifiers and that the other ten teams come from the BCS rankings. I know there is controversy on how many teams to take but no team outside of the top 16 would win four games in a row against this level of competition. It would take a total of 4 weeks to play (no different than Div I-AA, sorry I am old school) and would occur in 15 of the current bowl games.

using the current bowls, it reduces the number of post season slots to 54 from the current 68. There would be 19 remaining bowls outside of the playoff system. That is not necessarily a bad outcome in my opinion.

The proposal would rotate the National Championship game between the locations of the Rose, Fiesta, Sugar, and Orange. (note: no change from current system)

The semifinal games would occur in the Rose, Sugar, Orange and Fiesta. One year it would be the Rose and the Sugar and the next it would be the Orange and Fiesta.

The quarterfinal games would occur in the Peach (I told you I was old school), Cotton and the two bowls that are not hosting the semifinals.

In the first round the goal is geographic spread and would be played in the following bowls (here is where it gets interesting): Holiday (California), Humanitarian (Idaho), Alamo (Texas), Motor City (Michigan), Eagle One (DC), Music City (Tennessee), Gator (Florida) and Outback (Gator).

A playoff will probably happen before 2015 so why don't we put our heads together and propose a Stingtalk solution.

Let the fun begin.
 
You can't use the bowls. There is simply no way it makes financial sense to expect fans to travel to multiple games or for all teams to be on the road that much. Your system would work, but it would need to be played at the home team fields, until the finals. Just like D-1AA.
 
Is this going to come up every week until the season starts?
 
A shortened schedule means that the UGA game is moved to before Thanksgiving. This does two adverse things. One, it breaks tradition. Two, it eliminates my one and only excuse for zoning out during or canceling family related holiday functions. As such, I am against it.
 
MacDaddy2 said:
OK its cold as hell and I'm bored so I started thinking about what a playoff system might look like.

It starts with the premise that the regular season is shortened to 11 games and that conference championship games are still in play.

It assumes that the conference champions from the ACC, SEC, Big East, Big 12, Pac 10, and the Big 10 are automatic qualifiers and that the other ten teams come from the BCS rankings. I know there is controversy on how many teams to take but no team outside of the top 16 would win four games in a row against this level of competition. It would take a total of 4 weeks to play (no different than Div I-AA, sorry I am old school) and would occur in 15 of the current bowl games.

using the current bowls, it reduces the number of post season slots to 54 from the current 68. There would be 19 remaining bowls outside of the playoff system. That is not necessarily a bad outcome in my opinion.

The proposal would rotate the National Championship game between the locations of the Rose, Fiesta, Sugar, and Orange. (note: no change from current system)

The semifinal games would occur in the Rose, Sugar, Orange and Fiesta. One year it would be the Rose and the Sugar and the next it would be the Orange and Fiesta.

The quarterfinal games would occur in the Peach (I told you I was old school), Cotton and the two bowls that are not hosting the semifinals.

In the first round the goal is geographic spread and would be played in the following bowls (here is where it gets interesting): Holiday (California), Humanitarian (Idaho), Alamo (Texas), Motor City (Michigan), Eagle One (DC), Music City (Tennessee), Gator (Florida) and Outback (Gator).

A playoff will probably happen before 2015 so why don't we put our heads together and propose a Stingtalk solution.

Let the fun begin.
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I assume you need to do this based on "fairness". Well based on "fairness" you should have every game at someone's home field so that cold weather teams share equally with warm weather teams. The Big 10 has no chance otherwise, but a big chance in their own climate.

I can assure that when a playoff occurs, assuming the NCAA does it, mind you, that the bowls will not be involved at all.
 
I mentioned on another thread that I think the top 6 BCS ranked teams be automatic qualifiers and incorporate a lottery to choose the 7th and 8th teams to be chosen from the 7th-12th BCS ranked teams. Now how you structure that into the bowls or play at the home of the highest ranked team who knows?
 
If it happens, it will be about money and the bowls will be left out. I think the NCAA will have regionals such as Atlanta, Jacksonville, New Orleans, and the domed stadiums up north. For example, if Tech played Bama in the first round it would probably be at the Dome. Biggest problem will be how many teams get invited? Under the present structure, it would be 16 to be fair. Will it happen? No, for this reason. Can you imagine the fans outcry if for example UGA was ranked number one and lost in the first round to say a Tulsa or Ball St? A lynch mentality would occur. Look at all of the BB and Pro coaches that get fired for not making the playoffs.
 
Okay, so play that forward. You have regional sites for 4 games. You have to set the sites far in advance to have them available so the odds of getting 8 teams reasonably close to those 4 sites could be pretty tricky. But anyway, you sell tickets with a week notice to the 16 teams invited. The winners get sent somewhere else, again with a week to sell tickets, etc. That's why it has to be at the home team site. No ticket sales to speak of otherwise...fans simply can't afford the tickets, travel and time off work to travel 4 weeks straight.
 
-8 Teams
-No Automatic Conference bids
-Use BCS to seed teams
-Add Conference champ and Strength of Schedule to BCS formula
-First Round: Friday/Saturday before Xmas
-Semis: New Years Day (unless its Sunday, then Jan 2)
-NCG: The first Monday after Jan 7.
-I'm indifferent on whether to use bowls or home fields.


Explaination for this system:

I limit it to 8 teams because I think we can all agree that the best team in college will be in the top 8 (shut up Boise St and beat TCU in your bowl game). Also, it eliminates missed classes and exams if the playoffs take place the 3.5 weeks between fall and spring semester.

Since there are only 8 teams, Conference auto bids will not work. This year 5 of the top 7 going into bowls were from the SEC and Big12, which leaves 3 spots for the ACC, Pac10, Bigeast, Big10, and Independents. Just cause you win your shi**y conference doesn't mean you deserve a spot in the playoffs. However, I believe that winning your conference should be a part of the new BCS formula. Therefore if 2 "equal" teams are fighting for the 8th spot, the team that won their conference should get the nod. Strength of schedule also needs to be added back into the BCS formula. It will encourage tougher scheduling and a better regular season. Also, if there are 2 teams with even records fighting for the last spot, the team with the tougher schedule gets the nod.

Start the playoffs the weekend before Xmas. This way student athletes get time to take exams and get healthy. It also avoids the month long layoff between games so there isnt so much rust. Have 2 games on Friday and 2 games on Saturday. Can you imagine the TV money this would generate????
Semifinals are played on New years day. It keeps the New Years Day tradition. If NYD is on a Sunday, have the games Jan 2 so the NFL is not interfered with.
Championship game is played on the first Monday after Jan 7. This gives the teams atleast 1 week to rest prepare. It does not interfere with NFL playoffs. With most schools the game would be on the first day of class, therefore not much class is missed. Worst case scenario is 2-3 days of class are missed.

I couldnt care less if the bowls are used in the playoffs or not. IMHO I think the bowl eligibility should be moved to 7 instead of 6. Cut bowls from 34 to 25. 25 Bowl games plus playoffs equals 58 teams and 32 games.

But I am just 1 idiot???? So who knows?
 
My plan. Every team in the country is placed into a 12 game tournament. Strength of schedule and informed voters are used to seed teams after each week of play and the end of the tournament, the top two seeds play each other, rotating the game site among the four BCS bowls each year. I think it will make tons of money for the sport, so much so that it will never be disputed by the conferences.
 
JWE37 said:
-8 Teams
-No Automatic Conference bids
-Use BCS to seed teams
-Add Conference champ and Strength of Schedule to BCS formula
-First Round: Friday/Saturday before Xmas
-Semis: New Years Day (unless its Sunday, then Jan 2)
-NCG: The first Monday after Jan 7.
-I'm indifferent on whether to use bowls or home fields.


Explaination for this system:

I limit it to 8 teams because I think we can all agree that the best team in college will be in the top 8 (shut up Boise St and beat TCU in your bowl game). Also, it eliminates missed classes and exams if the playoffs take place the 3.5 weeks between fall and spring semester.

Since there are only 8 teams, Conference auto bids will not work. This year 5 of the top 7 going into bowls were from the SEC and Big12, which leaves 3 spots for the ACC, Pac10, Bigeast, Big10, and Independents. Just cause you win your shi**y conference doesn't mean you deserve a spot in the playoffs. However, I believe that winning your conference should be a part of the new BCS formula. Therefore if 2 "equal" teams are fighting for the 8th spot, the team that won their conference should get the nod. Strength of schedule also needs to be added back into the BCS formula. It will encourage tougher scheduling and a better regular season. Also, if there are 2 teams with even records fighting for the last spot, the team with the tougher schedule gets the nod.

Start the playoffs the weekend before Xmas. This way student athletes get time to take exams and get healthy. It also avoids the month long layoff between games so there isnt so much rust. Have 2 games on Friday and 2 games on Saturday. Can you imagine the TV money this would generate????
Semifinals are played on New years day. It keeps the New Years Day tradition. If NYD is on a Sunday, have the games Jan 2 so the NFL is not interfered with.
Championship game is played on the first Monday after Jan 7. This gives the teams atleast 1 week to rest prepare. It does not interfere with NFL playoffs. With most schools the game would be on the first day of class, therefore not much class is missed. Worst case scenario is 2-3 days of class are missed.

I couldnt care less if the bowls are used in the playoffs or not. IMHO I think the bowl eligibility should be moved to 7 instead of 6. Cut bowls from 34 to 25. 25 Bowl games plus playoffs equals 58 teams and 32 games.

But I am just 1 idiot???? So who knows?
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The real holdup for playoffs will be:
The major conferences will insist that their champions are a part of it, just like they do now. But the littler conferences are going to scream bloody murder if they are left out. It just isn't going to happen.

They are in, the field may expand to 16 to include a few others.
 
Allen Koholic said:
My plan. Every team in the country is placed into a 12 game tournament. Strength of schedule and informed voters are used to seed teams after each week of play and the end of the tournament, the top two seeds play each other, rotating the game site among the four BCS bowls each year. I think it will make tons of money for the sport, so much so that it will never be disputed by the conferences.
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So this is in place of the regular season?
 
midatlantech said:
The real holdup for playoffs will be:
The major conferences will insist that their champions are a part of it, just like they do now. But the littler conferences are going to scream bloody murder if they are left out. It just isn't going to happen.

They are in, the field may expand to 16 to include a few others.
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Put the top 4 in, but make them play a play-in game the week of CCG's to get to 2. Then take the current "BCS conference" champs to get to 8 teams. Play it over 3 weeks with the champ game being like it is now.

Let the conference runner-ups and others play the traditional bowls. One other option is to let the championship game rotate between the major bowls.

This would effect maybe only the 3 major bowls each year who would then get the conference runner-up instead of the conference champ.

For the SEC, there would have been no change. UF would have still gone to the playoff and Bama to the Sugar as SEC runner-up to play another team (as Utah would have been in the playoff), possibly TCU.

In the Orange, VT would have gone to the playoff, so BC to the Orange to play Pitt. Not a bad game.

In the Fiesta, Texas would have still played, but only another team (as OSU would have gone to the Rose to play the PAC 10 runner-up), possibly Tulsa.

In the Rose, USC and PSU would both have gone to the playoff, so OSU and Oregon would have played.

Those would all have been great games with a lot of fan interest.

To me it's the best of both worlds.
 
We need a playoff system before the college football postseason becomes a total joke. Now, even the dumbasses in congress are able to realize how assanine the current system has become. College football seriously needs to consider making some changes.
 
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