Pro football sucks

LLTW

LLTW

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And the Falcons game today is the reason why. Gutless coaching with no imagination. Anyone who complained that PJ was too agressive at the end of the 1st half and should have taken a knee should hae watched today's game or remembered the last 7 years under Chan.
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The majority of the country disagrees with you.

I love pro football...yes, the coaches are too conservative...wait, nix that. I hope you are watching the Chargers-Broncos game. What an unbelievable game. In fact, a ton of great games today. Only thing that sucks is that only two games get to be shown at a time where there are so many good ones.
 
LLTW said:
I take it you are from New York?
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Haha, yes. And I do agree, the majority of NFL coaches are too conservative. I think Smith taking the field goal was the right call, but in the first half it was fourth and 3 at the Bucs' 40 and punted when we were down 17. I disagreed with that.

However, that doesn't change my opinion that pro football is much better in terms of both overall quality of play and league parity. And it doesn't change the fact that pro football is much more popular.
 
LLTW said:
And the Falcons game today is the reason why. Gutless coaching with no imagination. Anyone who complained that PJ was too agressive at the end of the 1st half and should have taken a knee should hae watched today's game or remembered the last 7 years under Chan.
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You're wrong.
 
I was really pissed when the announcers kept saying CPJ shouldn't have gone for it on 4th down. :ugh:

One first down and the game would be over if we punted.
 
GTKyle said:
I was really pissed when the announcers kept saying CPJ shouldn't have gone for it on 4th down. :ugh:

One first down and the game would be over if we punted.
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Yeah, and they contradicted themselves. They talked all game about how we don't really have a quick-strike, 2 minute offense, but then question why we go for it with 4 minutes left. Idiots.
 
Mover, I can't say to anything to you... football knowledge-wise, I don't know jack **** compared to you. All I can say is that I consider myself to have a decent knowledge of the game, and from what I see between the college and pro, the coaches in the pro version play the game by the book to the letter... the occasional Mike Shannahan notwithstanding. I just don't think football was meant to be played with that. The situation and the emotion of the game to that point should dictate what should be done. That is what I believe many more colleges coaches do... especially the best ones.

gth816f, no one can argue that the NFL has the best football players in the world playing, but I disagree that the pro game is more popular. Every few months, ESPN and other sports sites will have polls asking which version of the game people perform. Now it's not the most scientific method, but the college game always wins by a tally of somewhere between 55-60% of the votes compared to 40-45% for the NFL. The NFL dominates in the big northern cities, where most of the country's population lies, but everywhere else, college football is king.
 
LLTW God bless you for your sig pic. You need to post more often man.

FWIW, I think the NFL doesn't even come close to being as entertaining as College is.
 
LLTW said:
gth816f, no one can argue that the NFL has the best football players in the world playing, but I disagree that the pro game is more popular. Every few months, ESPN and other sports sites will have polls asking which version of the game people perform. Now it's not the most scientific method, but the college game always wins by a tally of somewhere between 55-60% of the votes compared to 40-45% for the NFL. The NFL dominates in the big northern cities, where most of the country's population lies, but everywhere else, college football is king.
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Fortunately we have had this discussion on here before, so I didn't need to look up these numbers again. The NFL is more popular than college football in every measurable aspect, except maybe ESPN's online polls, which, as you pointed out, mean nothing.

The TV viewership for the biggest games in each are almost double in favor of the NFL: http://www.stingtalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=217477&postcount=37

The NCAA team generating the most revenue generates 1/3 of that of the NFL team generating the least revenue: http://www.stingtalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=217587&postcount=49

Overall, the NFL generates over 4x as much revenue as the NCAA: http://www.stingtalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=217599&postcount=51

Here is the start of the "Which is more popular?" discussion if you want to read the whole thing, and get some ideas on why it might be the way it is: http://www.stingtalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=217445&postcount=28

You could say that some NCAA teams average better attendance than some NFL teams, but that isn't really relevant, because the number of people attending the game is so small that it is statistically insignificant. The true indicator of popularity is the ability to draw the fans from around the country(rather than the cities of the involved teams) without a vested rooting interest, and the NFL simply destroys the NCAA at that.

Now, what might be interesting is if you went back ten or fifteen years and looked at what the numbers were before fantasy football started spreading like wildfire. Fantasy football is the best thing to happen to the NFL since Monday Night Football...all of a sudden, in addition to wanting to watch all the good games, everyone wants to watch even the crappy ones because they are concerned about their fantasy teams.
 
gth816f said:
Fantasy football is the best thing to happen to the NFL since Monday Night Football...all of a sudden, in addition to wanting to watch all the good games, everyone wants to watch even the crappy ones because they are concerned about their fantasy teams.
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This is a very good point.
 
Fortunately we have had this discussion on here before, so I didn't need to look up these numbers again. The NFL is more popular than college football in every measurable aspect, except maybe ESPN's online polls, which, as you pointed out, mean nothing.
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So what? Titanic is the most popular movie of all-time, does that make it the best?
 
We all know that the NFL is nothing but the college retirement league anyways. Saturday is for football, Sunday is for hangovers.
 
Ish said:
So what? Titanic is the most popular movie of all-time, does that make it the best?
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Ish, he was refuting a point made by LLTW. LLTW had said college football was more popular, and quoted a poll from ESPN.
 
LLTW said:
Mover, I can't say to anything to you... football knowledge-wise, I don't know jack **** compared to you. All I can say is that I consider myself to have a decent knowledge of the game, and from what I see between the college and pro, the coaches in the pro version play the game by the book to the letter... the occasional Mike Shannahan notwithstanding. I just don't think football was meant to be played with that. The situation and the emotion of the game to that point should dictate what should be done. That is what I believe many more colleges coaches do... especially the best ones.
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I will defer to RM as well, but in my opinion (and again my opinion), a good college coach is a good COLLEGE coach, and a good NFL coach is a good NFL coach--and success in one does not mean success in the other. There is creativity seen at the NFL level, but usually more subtle than in college, as you cannot rely on speed or missed assignments in the pros--as every team has speed at every position, and guys do not miss assignments, or they find their new job bagging groceries. Teams also are quicker to adapt to something that is successful, and plan with it or scheme against it.

Also I agree about the Fantasy Football comment. Been doing FF since '89, and no offense to RM, but did not care about Buffalo until I drafted Thurman Thomas in the 6th round of 89 in a keeper league. Once he was mine, I watched every Buffalo game I could find, as he was winning me championships. I think FF has been the best thing to NFL, and NFL needs to recognize that golden calf -- when the NFL last year tried to shut down FF by "copyright violation" of using players name, thought the NFL was shooting itself in the foot. Thankfully that did not come to pass.
 
wesleyd21 said:
Thought of the day:

Football should be an Olympic sport.
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It is. ;) (Well, what the rest of the world calls football.) American football will never be an Olympic sport as long as we are the only country really playing it. That is why baseball and softball are being phased out -- not enough countries play it. As much as I hate to say it, cricket would become an Olympic sport before football did.
 
LLTW said:
Mover, I can't say to anything to you... football knowledge-wise, I don't know jack **** compared to you. All I can say is that I consider myself to have a decent knowledge of the game, and from what I see between the college and pro, the coaches in the pro version play the game by the book to the letter... the occasional Mike Shannahan notwithstanding. I just don't think football was meant to be played with that. The situation and the emotion of the game to that point should dictate what should be done. That is what I believe many more colleges coaches do... especially the best ones.

gth816f, no one can argue that the NFL has the best football players in the world playing, but I disagree that the pro game is more popular. Every few months, ESPN and other sports sites will have polls asking which version of the game people perform. Now it's not the most scientific method, but the college game always wins by a tally of somewhere between 55-60% of the votes compared to 40-45% for the NFL. The NFL dominates in the big northern cities, where most of the country's population lies, but everywhere else, college football is king.
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LLTW, what you fail to realize is that college and pro football are two different sports. Just as high school ball resembles but isn't the same as college, the pro game is much more advanced in terms of athleticism, technique, etc., than the college game. Pro coaches play by the book because 9 times out of 10 the book is right. College coaches get away with things because players aren't as good and make more mistakes. It's kind of like watching AA baseball versus the major leagues. You can send the runner in the minors because guys make more bad throws. If you do it at the MLB level you just get people thrown out.

As you say polls aren't scientific when you allow people to decide if they particpate or not. There is no question that pro football leads in viewship, money, etc. College ball is my favorite, but everyone watches the pro game.
 
I love college ball and watch every opportunity. I haven't sat down and watched a pro game in years
 
Completely agree on the fantasy football thing. That is actually one of the biggest things that has turned me off with the NFL. The media spends as much time analyzing fantasy stats and potential as the game themselves. I can get more fantasy football info on Sportscenter than I can about the NHL or NBA. It's all just glorified gambling. My brother is a big time example of this. He used to watch nothing but college football, but because of his stupid fantasy football team every season, he'd rather watch the 49ers play the Chiefs. Makes me want to puke.

The NFL puts up those big pretty number because of the gambling. Everyone knows this. I have nothing to prove this except for first hand experience from traveling the country that people in general enjoy college football more. They just can't bet on it like they can with pro football... hence why it's not nearly as watched.
 
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