Question about the officiating

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I'm curious, for the people watching from home, was the officiating as bad as it seemed to those at the game. While I'm certainly not blaming the loss on the refs, I think we would have been able to play them much tighter which could have changed the complexion of the last quarter.

Obviously there was some hometown bias, for example on the kick-off return the BC player was clearly down before the fumble, but on other plays like the two pass interference calls setting up BC's third TD and... pretty much any play involving Greg Smith.

I was in the north stands, and can say that on the second PI call, there was zero contact between the DB and receiver. Also had a good angle on Greg Smith's catch in the endzone, and he was clearly in bounds (you could even see the grass torn up where he came down) and it sure seemed like he had possession. But more importantly than that, Greg had two key 3rd down plays that should have lead to Tech first downs that were called back, one ruled not a catch (he bobbled the ball but definitely had his hands underneath it as he came down) and the other where he supposedly stepped out of bounds (didn't have a real good angle on this one).


Maybe somebody had a better view and could shed some light? I'm hoping there will be some replays posted on YouTube soon so I can get a better look.
 
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I'm curious, for the people watching from home, was the officiating as bad as it seemed to those at the game. While I'm certainly not blaming the loss on the refs, I think we would have been able to play them much tighter which could have changed the complexion of the last quarter.

Obviously there was some hometown bias, for example on the kick-off return the BC player was clearly down before the fumble, but on other plays like the two pass interference calls setting up BC's third TD and... pretty much any play involving Greg Smith.

I was in the north stands, and can say that on the second PI call, there was zero contact between the DB and receiver. Also had a good angle on Greg Smith's catch in the endzone, and he was clearly in bounds (you could even see the grass torn up where he came down) and it sure seemed like he had possession. But more importantly than that, Greg had two key 3rd down plays that should have lead to Tech first downs that were called back, one ruled not a catch (he bobbled the ball but definitely had his hands underneath it as he came down) and the other where he supposedly stepped out of bounds (didn't have a real good angle on this one).


Maybe somebody had a better view and could shed some light? I'm hoping there will be some replays posted on YouTube soon so I can get a better look.
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I just watched several of those plays after getting home from the game, I recorded it on DVR.

The officiating was horrible. It was hard to tell in the stadium on many of those calls and obviously they don't replay them over and over like they do on TV.

Several of the calls just killed our momentum on good drives. Like the holding call on Taylors long scramble.

The PI on Guyton was complete BS, even the announcers agreed and the announcers had no love for us.

The Greg Smith tip toe on the side lines should have been reversed, it was VERY obvious after watching it on TV that he was in bounds. But once again that was a drive killing play.

The kickoff fumble was the right call, he was down and the ground caused the fumble.

The problem with the officiating was the lack of consistency. For every BC O-Line holding call they pulled a flag on, there were 2 they didn't

We were playing bad, especially in the first half. But I felt like we had momentum in the beginning of the 3rd quarter, and every time the officiating killed that momentum.

After awhile it's just demoralizing.
 
I feel you guys, but I honestly cannot bitch about officiating when the D gives up 500+ yards in total offense.
 
We were discussing the same thing on the way home. I was hoping to post this question here on StingTalk, we wanted some validation from the TV viewers.

The lack of holding calls from BC seemed obvious from our seats.

At the game, the calls seemed questionable at best and much too frequent on GT.

In fact, even my wife mentioned after a play, "What, no flag?"
 
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I would like to know where did these officals came from. Two of the pass interference calls were the worst, and I agree the BC holding was pretty severe. Only the extremely obvious were called.

Dispite all that BC is a very good team.

Throwing all that trash on the field was a little too much. The announcer should have said
"no matter how bad the officating is ...please don't throw trash on the field."
 
I have to admit that the officiating was EXTREMELY frustrating to watch from the stands. There were two obviously bad PI calls that pretty much gave BC their third touchdown. But there was also the reversed fumble and some of the holding calls on GT which called back a few big plays in the second half. Watching in the stands, you really don't have any idea about those plays other than the refs were calling back literally every good play GT made.
 
You know the officiating's getting bad when the network stops showing replays. What I can't understand is how they can still blow it when they get to see all the camera angles? This would have been a much different game had 2 of our drives not ended prematurely and 1 of BC's TD drives didn't occur due to the phantom PI's.
 
The officiating was atrocious, especially in the third quarter. The PI calls that kept BC's drives alive, the holding call on TB's long scramble, and how in the hell did they miss the Greg Smith sideline tiptoe after watching it on replay?!?!? There was also a no call on like 3-6 at mid field when BC jumped offsides and we didn't convert and had to punt...another drive killer. Great teams find a way to fight through BS like this but we are not a great team and didn't need the extra foot on our throat.
 
Watching the replay this morning it appears that what I thought were three horrible calls in the third quarter were indeed that --bad calls that really pulled the fuse out of the fusebox when GT was trying to get something going.

* Both the holding call on TB's scramble and the non-reversal on G. Smith's catch and run for a first down were pitiful --and may have cost Tech an opportunity of cutting the lead in half --which was huge.

* There were a couple of very questionable calls that aided in BC's third TD --no question.

* G. Smith's non-catch in the endzone was close --the out-of-bounds foot may have hit a tad before the left that tore up the turf.

* No complaints on the fumble reversal after Tech's only TD.

All this being said --let me also say that BC certainly deserved the W, for GT was soundly beaten on both sides of the ball. However, I will also say that opportunities do present themselves for a football team to save themselves and pull out a W --even when they were soundly defeated for most of the game.

The calls in the third quarter did hinder Tech's efforts of moving down the field midway through the third and cutting the deficit to 14-7. But if you subscribe to this reasoning --you then have to ask yourself in GT would have been able to stop BC late when the game was on the line --and unfortunately it appeared to me that the answer is No.
 
There might have been some bad calls but Greg Smith's catch in the end zone wasn't one of them. His first contact with the ground after the catch was his right foot touching the line. His left foot tore up the grass after his right foot touched the line.
 
If you get beat off the line and down the field all night long, the officials will throw the pass interference flag much, much easier.
 
The worst call of the night was the call on Smiths sideline catch. He was clearly in bounds. That call really changed the game.
 
It's tough to believe they would get a call like that wrong after sending it up to the booth. Anybody have a replay?
 
officials had nothing to do with this game, we got our ass whipped. it is the same ole chan story 7-8 wins and a bowl in great falls montana.
 
TechGator1066 said:
I feel you guys, but I honestly cannot bitch about officiating when the D gives up 500+ yards in total offense.
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When the officiating doesn't call holds, and we rush 6 every down, that's equivalent to making us play 9 vs 11, which will lead you to give up 500 yards.
 
beej67 said:
When the officiating doesn't call holds, and we rush 6 every down, that's equivalent to making us play 9 vs 11, which will lead you to give up 500 yards.
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I would be interested to here from somebody in the know, such as RM, about BC's holding. If for nothing else, it would make me feel better about our front 7 if BC stopped them by holding them every play.
 
Well clearly "every play" isn't exactly accurate, but I'd say they definitely had as many holds as weren't called as were. My concern is that it's a formula every team can use to beat us, because they can ensure that the worst thing that we can do to them is -10 and replay, instead of a fumble or sack.

But yeah, RM definitely knows more about holding than I do, so I'm with you that I'd like to hear his opinions.
 
One of the most frustrating games I've seen in a long time with respect to the officiating.

I mean it was just maddening to watch.
 
TechGator1066 said:
I feel you guys, but I honestly cannot bitch about officiating when the D gives up 500+ yards in total offense.
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Well, we wouldn't have given it up if they hadn't been holding on nearly every single play of the game.

Overall, the officiating was some of the worst I've seen. Call after call, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I can't say whether the officiating cost us the ball game or not, but it definitely made it look like we were stuck in an uphill battle all night long. Consistent holding calls weren't being made from the start of the game against BC, and there were SO many bogus pass interference calls that just killed us. We certainly could have won that game last night, but evidently it just wasn't in the cards.
 
00Burdell said:
One of the most frustrating games I've seen in a long time with respect to the officiating.

I mean it was just maddening to watch.
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It was frustrating from the stands --of course from Sec. 224 I cannot tell if a guys foot is in bounds or not, but I can see a bad pass interference call and when someone is being held.

I thought Michael Johnson was held on just about every passing play in the 3rd quarter. Watching the tape this morning (which was even more frustrating than seeing it live) left no doubt that he was being held a lot. Things like that can make a difference --giving a very good QB like Ryan that much more time to throw against our secondary.

And I have no idea why Greg Smith's catch --which gave us a first down-- was not overturned.
 
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