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I checked the other GT board and they have Scout.com recruiting rankings posted on the front page. Currently, they have us ranked at 53. 53 is terrible. I only hope that the list of verbals they have us down for is incorrect or that we are going to get some good surprises tomorrow. Can anyone shed light on this? I know, rankings don't matter, but when results on the field have been medicore and the pipeline of players coming in by Gailey is less than steller when compared to other ACC schools on the list (and SEC), I'm concerned about the future of GT football. What are your thoughts on this?
 
our recruiting has been poor since Gailey arrived.

we've gone from consistantly haveing top 30/25 type classes to classes ranked outside the top 40.

we've gone from the upper tier of the conference to the bottom tier.
 
Re: our recruiting has been poor since Gailey arri

honestly, its still too early to tell, which sucks. But this year will be the year that tells. The team has had a lot of O'L's recruits on it until this coming year, and in a lot of ways they more or less carried the team (which is what seniors should do).

If we drop down in the W's column, then yes, the recruiting did get bad, if we stay the same, rankings don't mean crap, if we get significantly better (9 wins) then the coaching staff can find guys who noone else can and evaluate talent well.
 
Your right but the indications aren\'t good...

look at the nbr of players we've had drafted the past few years (and will have this year).

i know it's not the best indicator but O'Leary's last few recruiting classes were some of our best IMO.
 
One of those O\'Leary classes you are admiring

graduated 3-of-15 players after 6 years. If you don't think that has a direct impact on how and whom we currently recruit, please think again. Those days are gone, and I'm okay with not loading up on 4* and 5* players who can't graduate as long as we coach up the 2* and 3* players we're signing to play competitively within the ACC. Tenuta's been great at this. The offensive staff? Not so much...
 
actually the *\'s are higher for this class....

I think our stars are around 2.65 and my recollection is the last two years our stars have averaged ~2.4

What is killing us is QUANTITY which is b/c of the scholly limitations. If take CJ out of the mix I think on quality this is CG's best class.

It will be interesting to see how the line performs next year. We were VERY young last year and supposedly we had some quality players redshirt that will see playing time next season.
 
Re: actually the *\'s are higher for this class....

I agree. This is the highest class "Quality" Wise. However, we will never develop depth if we cannot sign more than 15 players. UGA signs between 26-30 players every season(despite the 25 limit because they have a minor league system in Virginia). We will never compete only signing half of what everyone else signs. This could also directly be linked to the poor special teams play. If we can't put quality athletes on Special Teams then we will continue to suck at it.

I don't even know what to say anymore. I come from a family that is 99% UGAG, with me being the lone defection. They get to read in the ATL newspaper everyday about how great georgia's players are and how Matthew Stafford is a Godsend. I just looked in the Tech section at the newspaper's website and could only find out about Matthew's and Batchelor's decommitments.

Oh What a cold, cruel world this is.

TO HELL WITH GEORGIA!!
 
Re: actually the *\'s are higher for this class....

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we're in a bigger world of hurt than most realize, if that is the case. Class size does impact a ranking (I know, rankings don't matter), but not in total. We're the bottom of the ACC in class rankings..at 53. fifty-three. Best ever? Is this bc you'll defend Gailey at all cost or do you really believe that this is his best class? not a slam..just curious.
 
Yearn away.

We cannot recruit now as GOL did his last four years. The graduation rates of those classes has assured that.
 
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We cannot recruit now as GOL did his last four years. The graduation rates of those classes has assured that.

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I'm not sure I understand this. GT cannot recruit the same athlete as it did during GO'L's last four years.

Is this because of the academic calibur of athlete GO'L was recruiting, or is it because the system in place that was to monitor the academic progress of these athlete's failed?
 
It\'s the former.

GOL asked for and received quite a few exceptions to GT's admission standards for athletes. As evidenced by the 20% graduation rate (after 6 years) for the class of 1998, those kids didn't pan out. Part of the backlash by the Hill included changing leadership and reporting structure for the AA's academic services department. We all know that resulted in flunkgate, which in turn resulted in further changes. You'll never see grad rates like that again because the Academic side of GT was embarassed by the academic performance of GOL's recruits.
 
Upcoming Probation ...

is directly related to the GOL tenure and using ineligible athletes on the field of competition. I think one could extrapolate that "flunkgate" would have occurred 2-3 years earlier had his athletes been made to adhere to the same standards of academic progress as was required by the NCAA.
 
the #\'s back me up...

the #'s back me up. If you look at the average star rankings this group is probably .3 better than any group he has signed to date. We have as many 3 star this year as we had last year according to rivals but we are signing FAR FEWER players.

I find it interesting that you keep attacking the quality of CG recruits. If CG is a lousy coach then clearly he is wasting the talent he has recruited.

We must be the ONLY team in the history of college football w/ lousy recruits AND lousy coaching with 2 top 10 road wins in the same season.

We are ONE win away from a top 20 ranking and ANOTHER tough year for the Gailey Haters. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugher.gif

I will be there when the leprecons come to town and I like our chances.
 
Re: actually the *\'s are higher for this class....

The point being made is the star rankings of players is higher than we've had for a number of years (I don't really konw if that's true, but it's what some remember). We are not going to have a highly recruited class in part because of the low number we're getting. You get more points for more players. It's one reason that many basketball gurus rank classes by size, meaning they rank the 4 players classes seperately from the 2 player classes.

The argument being presented is that on average these players are better than earlier classes but fewer players are being signed. The 53 ranking is partly due to the small size of the class.
 
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...and yet we lose to teams like NCST, a 6-5 Utah team with a back up qb, have record losses against UGa, VT, Clemson, lost to a Fresno State team with a slew of their starters missing, etc. (which simply put, points to inconsitency in Gailey and the staff getting the team prepared) Yet, you seem very content bc two wins occured against two top 25 teams? One signature win is all it takes. ..and our recruiting class coming in so far is ranked at the bottom of the ACC. Our numbers aren't that low to justify being 53rd. But, hey you're please with our coach and that is great My concern is that like him or not, he is labled with mediocrity and creating an offense that is very vanilla which now has a very good GT fan base strongly divided. You are pleased with the direction Gailey has with our program and losing to our biggest rival every year ... I, in all respect, am not.
 
Re: the #\'s back me up...

I think if everyone told the truth, both those looking for a HC change and those that don't, no one would be able to explain this football program in it's current state.

With the grades of our recruiting classes over the last few years, flunkgate, overall poor depth, poor qb development and play, worst coach in all of college football according to SI, etc., there is no logical reason why this team could beat Auburn and more more impressively Miami, who only needed to beat us at home in order to play in the champ. game.

On the other hand, there is no logical reason for a team with those two monster bookend wins to lay the bushels of eggs we have.

If anyone can tell me that there is rhyme and reason to this program, I want to hear it.
I do think that if uga ever had the recruiting class we will sign by day's end tomorrow (apparent quality and known quantity), they would assume that the world is coming to an end.
For us though, I believe we will continue to rock along at the same clip as we have been moving recently. The only reason that's not good enough for me is because losing to uga has become expected.
 
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If CG is a lousy coach then clearly he is wasting the talent he has recruited.

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The guys name is Calvin Johnson..... yeahhh.

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We are ONE win away from a top 20 ranking and ANOTHER tough year for the Gailey Haters. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugher.gif


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You truly are a miracle, sir. As someone who wants Gailey out on his ass, I assure you I've yet to have a tough year.
 
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and our recruiting class coming in so far is ranked at the bottom of the ACC.

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A big component of recruiting rankings is simply how many you sign. Since the NCAA has limited how many we can sign our ranking is lower than it would be otherwise.

I would guess that if we were to take a full class it would pull us up to 40 or so assuming the additional recruits were on average the same as the rest we got. Unfortunately with the current admissions policies we now have in place, that's about as good as we can realisticly expect.
 
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I would guess that if we were to take a full class it would pull us up to 40 or so assuming the additional recruits were on average the same as the rest we got.

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whew...all the way up to 40 if we had a full class?! So, now all we have to be concerned with is another mid-level class with depth concerns in the coming years. I feel much better now.
 
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