Should you have to win your conference to play for a Natty?

Buzzilla

Buzzilla

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2 of the top 4 lose with 2 more to play. USC goes down and TCU goes down. UGA and UM still to play.

What if the dwags lose to LSU and Michigan loses to Purdue?

You could conceivably have the top 4 teams at the start of conference championship weekend not even win their conference.

I feel pretty strongly that if you don't win the conference you don't belong in the CFP. Don't know who I would put in, but if you can't win the championship, you don't deserve to play for the national championship.
 
Buzzilla said:
2 of the top 4 lose with 2 more to play. USC goes down and TCU goes down. UGA and UM still to play.

What if the dwags lose to LSU and Michigan loses to Purdue?

You could conceivably have the top 4 teams at the start of conference championship weekend not even win their conference.

I feel pretty strongly that if you don't win the conference you don't belong in the CFP. Don't know who I would put in, but if you can't win the championship, you don't deserve to play for the national championship.
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what if you lose to a team you already beat like TCU did a minute ago?
 
Depends on what we are looking for in a champion. The committee is trying to select for "the best team", in which case the conference game is just one more data point on the overall resume.

"Most deserving" would probably involve winning the subordinate championships as well - division, conference.

Right now we have to look at the season through the conference championships as an audition period for the playoff. Playoff season is more or less a separate football season, the stuff that happened before it doesn't count.

We should definitely revive the tradition of the MNC and award it before bowls are played. I think that would be fun.
 
That implicitly prevents any conference from sending more than one team and I fail to see the justification for such a restriction.
 
No. It’s should be like most sports where it gets you an automatic berth but then you are re-seeded.
 
I think I would just select the top 4 ranked conference champions.

Of course all of this changes when the CFP expands to 12 at which point I don't know why you bother playing conference championships at all.
 
So for the flip side, should USC and TCU both make the playoff anyway?
 
I don’t think it should HURT your rankings, it should only HELP. So now we’re about to have a 2 SEC and 2 Big 10 playoff solely bc TCU and USC lost in the CCG, but OSU and Bama just sat on their butts this weekend
 
Moot Point. We're going to 12. Top six rated conference champs are automatically in. Next six highest ranked teams are in, including of course an automatic spot for Notre Dame to keep the TV networks happy.
 
Not the way things are set up right now. UGA, Michigan, TCU we’re all undefeated prior to their conference championship games. Also, there are only two additional teams with one loss.

When the CFP expands, will conferences do away with conference championship games? $$$’s say no but it is adding an additional game to what will end up being a potential 17 game season for some teams.
 
ThisIsAtlanta said:
Depends on what we are looking for in a champion. The committee is trying to select for "the best team", in which case the conference game is just one more data point on the overall resume.

"Most deserving" would probably involve winning the subordinate championships as well - division, conference.

Right now we have to look at the season through the conference championships as an audition period for the playoff. Playoff season is more or less a separate football season, the stuff that happened before it doesn't count.

We should definitely revive the tradition of the MNC and award it before bowls are played. I think that would be fun.
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It's still a MNC.

As long as "beauty contest" rankings are involved it will remain a MNC.

The CFB Playoff is nothing more than a vehicle to generate TV ratings for E$PN. Who is "In" serves E$PN's ends, not finding the true champion.

You don't win your conference you don't belong.

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ThisIsAtlanta said:
Depends on what we are looking for in a champion. The committee is trying to select for "the best team", in which case the conference game is just one more data point on the overall resume.

"Most deserving" would probably involve winning the subordinate championships as well - division, conference.

Right now we have to look at the season through the conference championships as an audition period for the playoff. Playoff season is more or less a separate football season, the stuff that happened before it doesn't count.

We should definitely revive the tradition of the MNC and award it before bowls are played. I think that would be fun.
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Then you pick UGAg, OSU, Michigan and Bama.

UGAg plays OSU, Bama plays UM.
 
GT65_UGA89 said:
Not the way things are set up right now. UGA, Michigan, TCU we’re all undefeated prior to their conference championship games. Also, there are only two additional teams with one loss.

When the CFP expands, will conferences do away with conference championship games? $$$’s say no but it is adding an additional game to what will end up being a potential 17 game season for some teams.
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I noted this a week or so ago. Why would you have one of your two divisional champs pick up an unnecessary loss in a championship game and risk losing a playoff spot?

I agree money may cause them to keep it.
 
ee8384 said:
Then you pick UGAg, OSU, Michigan and Bama.

UGAg plays OSU, Bama plays UM.
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And yet what would be the justification for a two loss bama that didn’t even when their division to be in over a one loss TCU that lost in OT in a conference championship game? Overall, the CFP is a $ game for tv.
I think there would be more interest in TCU than same ole bama.
 
I say so, but then you need all the conference champs in, like the old basketball tourney days. You don’t have all the best teams in the tournament, necessarily, but that turns the whole season into a knock out tourney of sorts.
 
GT76 said:
And yet what would be the justification for a two loss bama that didn’t even when their division to be in over a one loss TCU that lost in OT in a conference championship game? Overall, the CFP is a $ game for tv.
I think there would be more interest in TCU than same ole bama.
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Justification is that if TCU had played Bama's schedule they would be 8-4 at best. And you seriously underestimate the relative TV appeal of Bama vs TCU.
 
MatatoGT said:
I say so, but then you need all the conference champs in, like the old basketball tourney days. You don’t have all the best teams in the tournament, necessarily, but that turns the whole season into a knock out tourney of sorts.
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Unless conferences are sized and scheduled for round robin play you'll not be able to know which is the best team.
 
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