So the Excuse from SEC fans so far...

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that I am hearing from them is that these bowl games arent apples and oranges for the SEC because the SEC is sending their 8th or worst teams to play teams that are 1-5 of the other conferences.

I call bullshit. They say Arky is 6-7 best team and it had to play the ACCs coastal champion. They brush off that our coastal champ is probably the 5-6th best team in the conference overall. Plus the ACC has had two unranked teams beat ranked teams.

I hate those bastards. ACC needs to keep up the winning!
 
TheTaxJacket said:
that I am hearing from them is that these bowl games arent apples and oranges for the SEC because the SEC is sending their 8th or worst teams to play teams that are 1-5 of the other conferences.

I call bullshit. They say Arky is 6-7 best team and it had to play the ACCs coastal champion. They brush off that our coastal champ is probably the 5-6th best team in the conference overall. Plus the ACC has had two unranked teams beat ranked teams.

I hate those bastards. ACC needs to keep up the winning!
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I know we're new to this, so I'll help you guys out. The correct response to the excuses is LOL SCOREBOARD
 
The excuse should be that the coaching is a lot worse in the SEC than it was in the heyday.

Saban is still the best.
After that, there are no longer Spurrier, Richt, Meyer, Fulmer. Instead, you get Muschamp, McElwain, Smart, Butch Jones, etc.

It is college football, your program is only as good as your coach because your talent turns over every 4-5 years.
 
I guess I will trot out the line I've always used. Take out Urban Meyer and Nick Saban and what are you left with? Les Miles won one with Saban's players (and LSU was grateful enough to fire him later), and then you have Malzahn winning one with Cam Newton (also fired later). The SEC is hubris at its finest. If Saban were to retire tomorrow all you'd hear about in three years is the renaissance of the Big 10 and how tough the ACC Atlantic is.
 
gte490v said:
The excuse should be that the coaching is a lot worse in the SEC than it was in the heyday.

Saban is still the best.
After that, there are no longer Spurrier, Richt, Meyer, Fulmer. Instead, you get Muschamp, McElwain, Smart, Butch Jones, etc.

It is college football, your program is only as good as your coach because your talent turns over every 4-5 years.
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I think this is basically it.
Saban's tremendous success led to the SEC firing a lot of good coaches. Adding to that the bad luck of Urban Meyer quitting UF in his prime, and the SEC basically replaced a stable of good to great coaches with a bunch of unknowns.
Furthermore, Alabama envy led to a lot of them basically hiring anyone who could show a connection with Saban, not realizing that Saban made a lot of people look a lot better than they actually were (as evidenced by how his offenses and defenses don't have any sort of drop off when losing an old coordinator/coach for a new one).

I mean, just look at the list of coaches in the SEC here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_coaches

There's no one of quality left after Saban. Maybe Sumlin, but it appears that Sumlin did a great job building A&M from garbage to good, but taking it to great required a once in a lifetime college talent in Manziel, which is what he is benefiting from. Then possibly Malzahn, but he made it to the NC without his own recruits, and with a massive amount of luck.

The ACC has upgraded significantly in terms of head coaches in the last 5 years. The SEC has in almost every case downgraded. And with the crazy expectations of their fan bases, and the ability of other teams to come close to the amounts the SEC is offering, I expect this trend to continue as long as Saban is in the SEC.
 
ScionOfSouthland said:
I guess I will trot out the line I've always used. Take out Urban Meyer and Nick Saban and what are you left with? Les Miles won one with Saban's players (and LSU was grateful enough to fire him later), and then you have Malzahn winning one with Cam Newton (also fired later). The SEC is hubris at its finest. If Saban were to retire tomorrow all you'd hear about in three years is the renaissance of the Big 10 and how tough the ACC Atlantic is.
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I'm pretty sure Auburn's HC during the NC was Chizik who won with Tuberville's recruits (Malzahn was the OC).

Edit: I think Les Miles was a pretty good coach who suffered from being in Saban's division. Mark Richt was capable of winning a championship at UGAg, IMO. Tuberville was pretty good as well (although he was close to retiring). USCe under Spurrier was pretty good too. The SEC was never as good as they liked to believe (other than right at the top with Saban and Meyer, probably the 2 best CFB coaches) but even then, they've downgraded severely.
 
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ScionOfSouthland said:
Thank you - yes, wrong coach there
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I made the same mistake initially. Had to wiki it :)

Fired 2 years after winning the MNC.

Another datapoint as to why I think SEC teams will not find head coaches as easily as they think they will (and even if they do get a good coach, probably will not give them the time to establish themselves, and therefore lose them).
 
I was just thinking that all the crazy SEC coaches are now gone. No more Spurrier, no more Les Miles, no more Houston Nutt. No random coaches like Caldwell. The Orgeron is back, but I doubt that lasts. Now it's a bunch of unfun Saban wanna-bes and whitebread bland dudes.

I think the SEC thrives on insanity.
 
What ever happened to "The SEC is tough from top to bottom, Vandy would be Champs if they were in another conference"?

If Bama chokes against UWa, it will make my day.
 
TheTaxJacket said:
that I am hearing from them is that these bowl games arent apples and oranges for the SEC because the SEC is sending their 8th or worst teams to play teams that are 1-5 of the other conferences.

I call bullshit. They say Arky is 6-7 best team and it had to play the ACCs coastal champion. They brush off that our coastal champ is probably the 5-6th best team in the conference overall. Plus the ACC has had two unranked teams beat ranked teams.

I hate those bastards. ACC needs to keep up the winning!
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The hilarity of it is that these matchups were made based in part on the mythical strength of the SEC. The arrangements have been this way of lower level SEC teams playing a bit above that in other conferences for years, the SEC just stopped winning as many. Plus the other half the reason for these arrangements is the SEC teams fanbase sizes (wonder if they seriously think the bowl matchups and arrangements are decided only on the competitiveness of the teams).
 
If Bama wins it all does it really matter? I don't know why so many people get wrapped up in Conference Bowl records. Half the teams don't want to even be there. Other than the playoff games they are essentially meaningless. It is just the way it is and why I miss the 'old days' where depending on what happened on New Year's Day there were 2 or 3 teams who had a shot of winning a NC.
 
SEC teams tired from playing SEC teams all year, not fair to have to play in bowls cause they tired
 
ScionOfSouthland said:
I guess I will trot out the line I've always used. Take out Urban Meyer and Nick Saban and what are you left with? Les Miles won one with Saban's players (and LSU was grateful enough to fire him later), and then you have Malzahn winning one with Cam Newton (also fired later). The SEC is hubris at its finest. If Saban were to retire tomorrow all you'd hear about in three years is the renaissance of the Big 10 and how tough the ACC Atlantic is.
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Malzahn came within one play of winning one with Nick Marshall. He seems to do alright with phenomenal QBs. But I agree with your point
 
I'm blanking on names right now, but even urban had significant dropoff once he started losing asst. coaches.

The rest of the sec tended to have quite good coaches, but parts of the fanbases thought the hc was the only thing keeping them from rolling with bama year after year.

Its a lesson we should remember. The "just one thing away from a nc" idea is a damaging temptress.
 
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