So what is wrong with the Triple-O?

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A lot of people here seem to really dislike the triple option. I don't get that. Navy's offense has been pretty good this year (and that is with some pretty weak recruiting classes). The old Nebraska offense was a machine.

I think the triple-o would allow us to continue to stockpile our best athlete's on the defense. A time eating offense also plays to our strength.
 
The last guy to run the 3-O at Tech was Ralph, and it worked awfully damn well.


The reason to run the 3-O, according to Freidgen, was that it put a lot of responsibility on the linebackers to honor each guy who might get the ball, so they had to spend a lot of time in the week beforehand practicing defending it. That meant that they spent less time practicing defending other stuff, so you could catch them with their pants down.
 
Play the triple option against UGA's defense and they'll eat it alive. It works for Navy because it helps them compete with the personnel they have and because they execute it perfectly.

BTW, I don't think the big strike against PJ was the triple option. He would implemented a more conventional offense here, maybe a spread option type offense. The big mark against him was the buyout on the contract and that he would command a higher salary than WM.
 
I remember Bobby Bowden say that he was surprised that we could rack up so many yards against them running the option. I think it was '98 or so, down there, with Joe running the O. FSU's aggressive defense just couldn't play assignment ball.
 
beej67 said:
The last guy to run the 3-O at Tech was Ralph, and it worked awfully damn well.


The reason to run the 3-O, according to Freidgen, was that it put a lot of responsibility on the linebackers to honor each guy who might get the ball, so they had to spend a lot of time in the week beforehand practicing defending it. That meant that they spent less time practicing defending other stuff, so you could catch them with their pants down.
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Very true but when we played against a speed team we had problems with it ala fsu. that being said we should adapt some sort of spread offense into our attack so the other teams have to worry about it during preparations.
 
Can't stand reading this stuff anymore. You naysayers on the option just don't know what you're talking about. Johnson's offense will work in a BCS system. I distinctly remember GSU's visit to Georgia in '04. They had the great Brian VanGorder's defense full of NFL draft choices like Pollack, Greg Blue, Sean Jones and others.

That day GSU rushed for 300 yards and 28 points, and it wasn't against the second team. GSU lost it's All-American RB to an ankle injury in the first quarter, but Georgia had major trouble stopping that offense. Had Johnson been coaching, GSU would have had even more yards rushing, as he is a master at calling a game from the sidelines. Only Auburn scored as many as 28 on the Dogs that year in the regular season. How did Tech do?

PJ took GSU to Oregon State under Dennis Erickson one year and scored 41 points and rushed for 500 against them.

Johnson's offense is is a combination of the run and shoot and the triple option. It can easily be modified to the passing game, and you can bet that if Johnson has a quality dual purpose QB to run the offense, you will get a good mix of run and pass.

What PJ can do is create mismatches, which lead to wide open receivers or big holes for the running back to run through. This offense is anything but boring. How can 40 ppg be boring?

If PJ gets the right DC to handle that side of the ball, the sky is the limit for Tech. By the way, you can ask Jim Tressel what he thinks of Johnson' offense. PJ's troops rolled up 600+ yards of offense and scored 59 points against Tressel the year before he went to Ohio State.

PJ might not run around kissing a bunch of butts, but he will win. You can't find a better coach to lead you back than Paul Johnson.
 
Play the triple option against UGA's defense and they'll eat it alive.
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The last 3 times we beat UGA we were running triple option.

Read the above sentence again.

Remember the Godsey 40 yd TD run? Triple option play with the RB as the hand-off and a motion WR as the pitch man.

Our last great offensive highlight vs UGA was on a triple option play.

Very true but when we played against a speed team we had problems with it ala fsu.
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History disagrees. We put 500 yards on FSU in 99, and a large chunk of our running game that game was triple option. Joe had 100 yards rushing if I remember correctly, because all our option was 3O. And that was the year FSU won the NC, if I recall, with a stifling defense that was based on speed.

3 option is not foiled by speed, it's foiled by discipline. It is exactly and precisely how you attack fast, undisciplined defenses. It won't work vs Wake, but would definitely work vs FSU.


Now I'm all for agreeing that we don't want to run triple option out of a tight set with 0 or 1 WR, like the Navy flexbone or the old Nebraska stuff, but triple option can work, has worked, and will work in the future vs teams with fast, talented defenses. The only reason it doesn't work in the NFL isn't speed, it's salary. You've got way too much cash sunk into your QB to let him take all those hits.
 
Hey Macon..did you ever see GSU's version when they had Adrian Peterson, Greg Hill who ran a 4.4 at QB and a group of slotbacks who ran between 4.3 and 4.4? That offense got on the defense so fast they couldn't react. Mix in some passes to those slotbacks who get isolated one on one on LB and it is a thing of beauty to see. Get a couple of good WR who will find themselves in man coverage constantly, and you'll see the points run up like a pinball machine. You'll start liking it when the W's start lining up.
 
MaconGTfan said:
Personally, I just don't like watching it.
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And I don't like watching us lose...especially to the fricken Mutts!!

If we can win with him, I don't care what offense he runs.

And it's not like we have had a profilic passing attack.

I think that he is our best choice now.
 
My stepson played for him. He's got two National Championship Rings. Trust me. I know how he runs a program. You will be impressed.
 
Hatcher > PJ = Edsall = Tenuta > Muschamp > Newheisul
 
TechPhi97 said:
Oh......we didn't realize you didn't like to watch it! I guess we'll stop considering Johnson then. :laugher:

For the record, I can get behind any offense that wins us games.
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that's why I threw in "personally", I'm not so naive as to think that it won't work because I don't like it...if it works, it works, but so much for "shock and awe" on offense. And what happens when your option QB goes down (refer to W.VA and Oregon)?

I will admit though that Nesbitt and Dwyer would be a good fit.
 
PJAlltheway said:
Hey Macon..did you ever see GSU's version when they had Adrian Peterson, Greg Hill who ran a 4.4 at QB and a group of slotbacks who ran between 4.3 and 4.4? That offense got on the defense so fast they couldn't react. Mix in some passes to those slotbacks who get isolated one on one on LB and it is a thing of beauty to see. Get a couple of good WR who will find themselves in man coverage constantly, and you'll see the points run up like a pinball machine. You'll start liking it when the W's start lining up.
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I like you more and more by the post PJ!!! Keep it up. I love it when someone who has experience with a coach tells all these morons how it is. You can give us firsthand knowledge of PJ and these other guys can give us their "thoughts" on Muschamp. I love it!!!
 
PJAlltheway said:
Hey Macon..did you ever see GSU's version when they had Adrian Peterson, Greg Hill who ran a 4.4 at QB and a group of slotbacks who ran between 4.3 and 4.4? That offense got on the defense so fast they couldn't react. Mix in some passes to those slotbacks who get isolated one on one on LB and it is a thing of beauty to see. Get a couple of good WR who will find themselves in man coverage constantly, and you'll see the points run up like a pinball machine. You'll start liking it when the W's start lining up.
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qft. Grew up going to Southern games with my dad and saw every home game (and a lot of away) during Adrian Peterson's career. Very exciting and TD happy offense. Granted, Peterson was a top I-A recruit who couldn't make the standardized test scores, but that offense is exciting and I think it will work. That and I think PJ would adapt it for our personnel and the competition we come up against.
 
scatman22 said:
I like you more and more by the post PJ!!! Keep it up. I love it when someone who has experience with a coach tells all these morons how it is. You can give us firsthand knowledge of PJ and these other guys can give us their "thoughts" on Muschamp. I love it!!!
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Stop being a jerk scatman; I thought you had made up your mind to play nice.
 
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