Start the clock on snap or ready for play?

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91gtme

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I was listening to the game on the gameday app and heard the referee tell the clock operator to start the clock on ready for play versus starting on the snap.

In the post game press conference CGC was very angry and adamant that he had been told it would start on the snap. Did the side judge tell him that? I noticed CGC was talking on his headset quite a bit during this time when I watched a replay. Could he have misheard?

Losing 17 seconds AND the timeout sucked. No idea if we win or lose if we hadn't but I'd like to have tried. Not criticizing CGC because game management issues are correctable but I never understood exactly what happened. Was there ever a final explanation? If it's in another post I missed I apologize.

Anyway, Go Jackets destroy BYE!!!
 
91gtme said:
I was listening to the game on the gameday app and heard the referee tell the clock operator to start the clock on ready for play versus starting on the snap.

In the post game press conference CGC was very angry and adamant that he had been told it would start on the snap. Did the side judge tell him that? I noticed CGC was talking on his headset quite a bit during this time when I watched a replay. Could he have misheard?

Losing 17 seconds AND the timeout sucked. No idea if we win or lose if we hadn't but I'd like to have tried. Not criticizing CGC because game management issues are correctable but I never understood exactly what happened. Was there ever a final explanation? If it's in another post I missed I apologize.

Anyway, Go Jackets destroy BYE!!!
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I rewatched this and the official said something but I couldn’t make it out.
 
First of all we screwed up by getting that penalty causing the 10 second runoff

2nd of all even if the side judge told CGC one thing that doesn't mean the guy running the clock was gonna make that same mistake

Every HC knows that when you commit a penalty in a pre-snap running clock situation, the clock restarts on the Refs ready for play signal, with less than 2 minutes in each half you add on the 10sec runoff

My guess is CGC thought he would take advantage of the side judges error and another Official did the RIGHT THING and caught CGC with his pants down

Drives me crazy how we as GT Fans constantly harp about our school's Academics and how our players are so smart, yet we seem to make equal or more mental mistakes than a team full of Prop 48s (I'm dating myself)

Our OLine cannot have that penalty in a running clock situation due to the 10sec runoff, and yet we did anyway

Something tells me that if GT did away with the Calc Requirements ( Finite Math nowadays) for non Engr Majors that we'd never make another mental mistake during a game for the rest of my life
 
NotTomNotPhilButGCollins said:
First of all we screwed up by getting that penalty causing the 10 second runoff

2nd of all even if the side judge told CGC one thing that doesn't mean the guy running the clock was gonna make that same mistake

Every HC knows that when you commit a penalty in a pre-snap running clock situation, the clock restarts on the Refs ready for play signal, with less than 2 minutes in each half you add on the 10sec runoff

My guess is CGC thought he would take advantage of the side judges error and another Official did the RIGHT THING and caught CGC with his pants down

Drives me crazy how we as GT Fans constantly harp about our school's Academics and how our players are so smart, yet we seem to make equal or more mental mistakes than a team full of Prop 48s (I'm dating myself)

Our OLine cannot have that penalty in a running clock situation due to the 10sec runoff, and yet we did anyway

Something tells me that if GT did away with the Calc Requirements ( Finite Math nowadays) for non Engr Majors that we'd never make another mental mistake during a game for the rest of my life
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The OL penalty is because the center triple snapped it...
 
Should have called the timeout at 23 seconds after the penalty to save the 10 seconds
 
JJacket said:
Should have called the timeout at 23 seconds after the penalty to save the 10 seconds
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Ideally you avoid the penalty and save the time out in case your player gets tackled in the field of play and you need to kill the clock for a game tying FG

That's why he saved the TO, I think
 
I clearly heard "clock will start on the SNAP" on the broadcast. I thought, that's odd, but OK

I think you are overestimating Collins to expect he knows the rules through and through. Head coaches are head coaches, not necessarily rules wonks. They go by what the refs tell them. There are a lot of weird corner cases in football rules
 
RussianOffense said:
I think you are overestimating Collins to expect he knows the rules through and through. Head coaches are head coaches, not necessarily rules wonks. They go by what the refs tell them. There are a lot of weird corner cases in football rules
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I'm sure Geoff is interviewing this week for a Rule Book Swag Coordinator, to go along with the rest of our administrative bloat.
 
coit said:
I rewatched this and the official said something but I couldn’t make it out.
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91gtme said:
I was listening to the game on the gameday app and heard the referee tell the clock operator to start the clock on ready for play versus starting on the snap.

In the post game press conference CGC was very angry and adamant that he had been told it would start on the snap. Did the side judge tell him that? I noticed CGC was talking on his headset quite a bit during this time when I watched a replay. Could he have misheard?

Losing 17 seconds AND the timeout sucked. No idea if we win or lose if we hadn't but I'd like to have tried. Not criticizing CGC because game management issues are correctable but I never understood exactly what happened. Was there ever a final explanation? If it's in another post I missed I apologize.

Anyway, Go Jackets destroy BYE!!!
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Shouldn't the head ball coach know without having to ask?
 
RussianOffense said:
I clearly heard "clock will start on the SNAP" on the broadcast. I thought, that's odd, but OK

I think you are overestimating Collins to expect he knows the rules through and through. Head coaches are head coaches, not necessarily rules wonks. They go by what the refs tell them. There are a lot of weird corner cases in football rules
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No, you didn’t.
You heard the ref say that after the defense player injury timeout. It was very clear.
Then after our penalty, the ref said will start on ready to play. There was a lot of crowd noise and confusion, it was hard to hear it but that’s what he said if you listen close. The TV telecast didn’t even have the camera on him when he was explaining it.
 
IM79 said:
No, you didn’t.
You heard the ref say that after the defense player injury timeout. It was very clear.
Then after our penalty, the ref said will start on ready to play. There was a lot of crowd noise and confusion, it was hard to hear it but that’s what he said if you listen close. The TV telecast didn’t even have the camera on him when he was explaining it.
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I agree. Watch from the 2:30:50 mark until the 2:31:26 mark. There is a lot going on but at the end he clearly says "play" not "snap". At the beginning it looked like CGC was trying to talk to officials and coaches on headset. This is on the staff but as I said earlier, mistakes can be corrected and the main thing is you don't want to see similar/same mistakes being repeated.

 
JJacket said:
Should have called the timeout at 23 seconds after the penalty to save the 10 seconds
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This. He needed to explain the situation to the QB and team. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a coach take the run off in that situation and now you know why: it isn’t just at 10 sec runoff but more like 13 and counting. He cost us at least one play, maybe two.
 
Walton said:
This. He needed to explain the situation to the QB and team. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a coach take the run off in that situation and now you know why: it isn’t just at 10 sec runoff but more like 13 and counting. He cost us at least one play, maybe two.
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That rule goes all the way down to HSs IIRC

This rule was put in play when HuNH Offenses became popular to keep them from trading 5yds for a valuable clock stoppage at the end of games & halves

Our players should already be familiar with the nuances of this rule
 
Ref said “ready for play” with 13 seconds on the clock. We should have snapped immediately and ran the play. Not sure that T Oliver scores if the defense is fully focused, some saw CGC call the Time Out.

Regardless, we had a timeout and 23 seconds on the clock in the red zone and didn’t get a play off, just the field goal. That is almost as bad as it gets.

O line and QB swapping cost us the game, this game should have never come down to this clock management goof.
 
The ref said when ready to play and that's the correct call based on the rules. It's sad that no one on the GT side knew the rules. Even sadder that Collins didn't own up to that after the fact.
 
IM79 said:
No, you didn’t.
You heard the ref say that after the defense player injury timeout. It was very clear.
Then after our penalty, the ref said will start on ready to play. There was a lot of crowd noise and confusion, it was hard to hear it but that’s what he said if you listen close. The TV telecast didn’t even have the camera on him when he was explaining it.
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Ah, I stand corrected. I thought the "clock will start on the snap" was after the penalty call, but it sounds like it was before the play before. Collins blew it
 
RussianOffense said:
Ah, I stand corrected. I thought the "clock will start on the snap" was after the penalty call, but it sounds like it was before the play before. Collins blew it
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Yep. You got that right. When the ref said 10 second runoff, I thought, use your timeout. Collins did blow it.
 
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