Still shaking my head at this one...

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We have a very difficult schedule this year but otherwise this could be our best team this decade. And it still might.

One person you forgot about was our kicker who had a very poor year in 2005. We need someone to step back up there.
 
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we were ranked low not because we didn't have good recruits, but because we didn't take that many recruits.

We lost the bowl becaus it was clear the guys didn't want to be there.

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That is what I said..we had low numbers... and Gailey didn't even fill up our alotment. That will hurt with depth issues down the road.

As for the Bowl game...didn't want to be there??? lame excuse. We were abused and abused badly by a pitiful 6-5 Utah team without its star power. (What about other bowl games in the past few years?..didn't want to be there either?)Do you think Utah was thrilled as punch to be playing in that mucho prestigious Emerald Bowl in a baseball stadium in front of a few thousand folks? What about Blacksburg this year? I guess our players really didn't want to be there, either. Goes back to the inconsistency with our coaching. Gailey didn't have the team prepared. Some would rather blame the cleats for San Fran...still very weak, but better than just saying "they didn't want to be there". ..some choose to ignore the big elephant in the middle of the room when talking about our fb problems. And we all know what (who) that elephant is.
 
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we haven't improved much, record wise, but we dang sure ain't slipped to the depths predicted

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so that is the flip side of being negative? ...that we're ok even though we haven't improved much, record wise, because some predicted worse? my, how expectations have changed on the flats.
 
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Do you think Utah was thrilled as punch to be playing in that mucho prestigious Emerald Bowl in a baseball stadium in front of a few thousand folks?

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Actually, they were. They only became bowl-eligible on their last game and Just about every fan there was from Utah. I think the loss does in fact come down to two factors. "Not wanting to be there," just like Cal lost to Texas Tech after being shafted from the Rose Bowl. Also, their size advantage didn't become any smaller while our speed advantage greatly diminished on that awful ground.
 
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I'm not ok with it by any means, but that's clear what happened. We came out very flat because they didn't want to be there and then just quit all together.

I agree that much of blame does have to fall on the coaches. They knew the situation. They knew the guys would be down about going out there yet again. They clearly didn't keep our guys focused and motivated.
 
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We came out very flat because they didn't want to be there

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good grief. did they not want to be at VT either?

"I think our team is excited about the destination", said Gailey, "most of our guys have never been to San Francisco, so it will be a new experience for them."
 
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no actually at VT was a different issue. Our special teams play totally killed us @ VT. We started around our own 10 all game and they started damn near on our side every time. The offense has a hard enough time without the special teams hurting us even more. We did start at our 30 or so once, best field position of the day. Result TD. That issue has been looked into and hopefully won't happen again with the new special teams coach.

The body language at VT was different than in the bowl game. The guys were pumped for the VT game, but were just behind the eight ball all game with horrible field position. Both I and folks at the bowl game said they looked lack luster when they came out on the field.

Again I don't excuse them not making an effort, but the will wasn't there. You have to look at more than just the finally score. The effort was more comparable to the first parts of the NCST or UVA games. We simply so not have the talent to take games off, giving 50%.
 
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whew...glad to know there is an excuse for every blowout loss vs it being caused by inconsitency in our coaching. Feel much better now... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/pat.gif
 
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some of it does have to fall back on coaching. some of it, falls on the players themselves. If they simply don't want it bad enough a certain week, there isn't much a coach can do, even though the coach will catch all the heat for it afterwards.
 
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Our bowls this decade have all been the lowest tier of the whole bowl scene...even the one in Orlando which we were only invited to bc UVA was their first choice but they had exams wasn't a great bowl. Because of that our fans have not travelled well creating a perception among Bowl selectors that we won't fill a stadium and we continue to get passed over by more prestigious bowls. Its a vicious cycle...unless we earn our way into a bowl by winning the ACC or something (and sorry, but that just isn't on the horizon).

So, playing in these low bowls is nothing new to our players. The Emerald Bowl was no different from what the players are accustomed. Yet, we get blown off the field. Utah didn't have several of their starters..much like when we lost to Fresno State (Fresno State!) without 10 or 11 of their starters. Gailey himself said the team was excited about the Emerald Bowl prior. Having a team prepared IS coaching. period. Whether that game is against NCST, VT, or Utah. Just having them preped and fired up for a one or two signature wins a year like Miami won't cut it. If anything, winning in Miami simply exposes the weakness of inconsitency with our staff even more so.
 
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i totally agree with what your saying, but I just want to know, at what point do the guys on the field have to take some of the responsibility and as a result of the blame?

Maybe our coaches issues are that they are being too consistent. Chan I think fails to realize these guys are just young men and not grown NFL men with families. They are going to be all over the place mentally. In games like uga or Miami, the guys are going to be super focused during pratice, but against a pitiful NCST team or 6-5 Utah team, not so focused. I think Chan and the coaches may give them too much respect and expect them to stay focused regardless.

For an NFL guy, you have a bad game or two, you talking about being out of a job with extended family to support. For a college player, you have a bad game or two, who cares, your going partying later and still getting laid by the hot chick from english class. I think our problem maybe that Chan doesn't quite understand this yet
 
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