TCU and expansion...

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  1. ND_jacket

    ND_jacket Helluva Engineer

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    I'm not sold on TCU as the best option. I think it'd set them up well to continue performing in football, but the league does have to consider the rest of the sports. Adding UT is one thing, because the revenue enhancements would offset the costs of travel for the non-revenue sports. TCU doesn't bring a big enough bump in TV money to offset the increased travel costs (and academic costs to SAs for travel to/from Texas).
     
  2. TechinItEasy

    TechinItEasy Dodd-Like

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    Yes, which is exactly why I said "outside of the last 10 years"
    From 1959 to 1994 they went to 4 bowls, losing all of them. They were ok for a few years after that, and have been pretty damn good now under Patterson.

    But, for the third time, what is going to happen when Patterson leaves?
     
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    Who is available?

    Too far, adds little value: Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, TCU

    Poor academic fit: Texas Tech, USF, WVU, Cincy, Louisville,

    Going elsewhere: OK, OK St, TAMU

    That leaves: UT, Mizzou, UConn, Rutgers, Navy, BYU, and ND. And keep in mind that BYU is still probably too far and Mizzou is probably SEC or Big10 bound.

    So unless you want to dip into a mid major conference, or steal from the Big 10/SEC, you have to at least consider UConn.
     
  4. SCADjacket

    SCADjacket Damn Good Rat

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    I didn't know that... but with that the speculation makes sense. But would the ACC would have then Pitt, it PennSt was on the table?

     
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    Pitt is a good grab with or without PSU. They're at least an average ACC football team in a typical year (probably above average) and above average basketball team with good academics that are on an upward trajectory. Pitt has big alumni presence in Cincy, Pittsburgh, and Philly.

    They were a top target of the ACC (obviously) and Big 10.
     
  6. lonestarjacket

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    You have lost.

    Pack it in and give it up and admit you popped off based on your flawed recollections.

    Even if you had been right, it is irrelevant. They are hot right now with mor enational attention than we have had for the past five years. Yes, the success mught be due to a particular coach but again the same could be said of GT.

    As far as basketball goes, I remember all the message board experts predicting Boston College, VT, and Miami would get wiped in the mighty ACC in BB and would bring the level of competition down. Didn't turn out that way.

    Whatever team comes to the ACC will inevitably up its game in BB because of the recruiting advantage and increased exposure. It doesn't take long to turn things around in a BB program with a good coach.
     
  7. TechSBP

    TechSBP Dodd-Like

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    That's like saying Tech has only been decent for the last 20 years.

    They were good in the 30's, 40's, and 50's. So were we. They went downhill around the time we did, and unlike us, aren't in a BCS conference.

    I don't think they are a good option. But TCU's football history is very respectable, and they've been relevant at many points. As for what matters most, they are as relevant as we are today.

    They've certainly got a better history than UNC, NCST, WF, VT, and UVA. Not as good as GT, Miami, Pitt, Syracuse, or Clemson.
     
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    Rutgers looking pretty good.
     
  9. Legal Jacket

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    How old are you, 15? TCU isn't a "random" team - they are a pretty historic member of the Southwest Conference. Just because you are a child and got into sports 3 years ago doesn't make them "random." Go sit at the kiddie table and let the grownups talk.

    Again, you blow any semblance of credibility with your second paragraph. Would you define a "mid major" conference as one with Texas, Arkansas, A&M, and Texas Tech? Cause that was the Southwest Conference from 1956 (When TT joined) - 1991 (when Arkansas Left). And that's not including a team like SMU that was dominant for the better part of at least a decade before it got the black death. They were such a "mid major" that they had an automatic bid to the Cotton Bowl - one of the four biggest bowls over that time.

    In fact, from 1963 -1970 - the conference won at least a share of FIVE national championships. The conference won at least shares of 21 championships total in its existence. Mid-major? Way to show of that historical knowledge buddy.

    And that's not even getting into what we did after we lost Dodd/left the SEC but prior to Ross reasserted our team (1967-1988). That's 5 bowls in ~ 20 years and a 109-128-7 record. TCU may have been worse over that time, but we were awful for a long time.

    And I have no idea where you are pulling the "5 decades" thing from. TCU was decent until the Mid 60s. They struggled until about 94. May be splitting hairs, but that's THREE decades, not five.
     
  10. Legal Jacket

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    Exactly my point. You can pick nits in the differences but the point is if you dismiss TCU's history you are essentially dismissing GT's as well.
     
  11. Legal Jacket

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    I think the sweet spot is ND, PSU, and then UConn. Problem is there isn't a good fourth if ND and PSU fall by the wayside.
     
  12. GTCrew

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    If that happens Rutgers is the luckiest team in modern history.
     
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    Another 2 cents or less worth:

    If football is your primary concern, then PSU and ND make sense. In basketball, ND brings a little prestige, PSU somewhat less.

    The reason Texas is probably not a candidate is not only geography, it's the fact that the ACC absolutely positively requires equal revenue sharing, and UT is unlikely to be willing to give away all the money they make from their new network. However, if that is solved - and if geography doesn't matter - then UT and Kansas would bring the Texas football prestige, and also create the number 1 all-time basketball conference.

    That said, I think it's gonna be UConn plus somebody.
     
  14. ND_jacket

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    I'm not convinced that LHN couldn't co-exist with equal revenue sharing of the league TV and bowl revenues. My understanding is that teams negotiate their own radio deals right now and to air coaches shows, etc. on TV outside the ACC purview. If that can co-exist with equal revenue sharing, why not LHN, as long as it's not airing anything covered under the ACC media deal?
     
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    Best BOR troll I've seen in years.

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    (you weren't serious, right?)
     
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    I would rather stab my eye out with a ball point pen than take UConn and Rutgers as our 15 and 16, but either would be a better pick than TCU. TCU offers nothing. Their football is about to suck again, and they're about to be begging their way into the MWC. Their academics are crap, they're an also-ran in their own state by about five other schools. They have nothing to offer. Nothing.
     
  17. coldbeer

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    The ACC doesn't want WVU, UCF, USF, ECU, or Louisville. PERIOD. Garbage academics.
     
  18. BarrelORum

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    Texas. And If my options are between UConn, Rutgers, and TCU... I'm taking TCU and one of the others. Unless someone better presents themselves.

    Lets face it, UConn and Rutgers as options sucks donkey balls. I'm looking this strictly from a football perspective. TCU is head and shoulders above either of those teams not only currently, but historically, and they give us a foothold in Texas. They are also better than Rice, SMU, or Baylor which are the leftovers in Texas once the Pac 10 and SEC take the other 3.
     
  19. WREKedinTexas

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    TCU would be a great addition. They are good people, and have a big support in the DFW area. I believe they have the fastest growing enrollment in the nation. They have a pretty good expansion of the stadium going on at this time.
     
  20. JacketFan77

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    Yeah ... TCU is a great fit for everyone below VA.